Fake KO

[gregM]

That last set of side by side pictures looks to be a match to me.
Same date, same crown.

The one posted by Trevor from the estand also looks to be a match.

It looks like I am wrong and the cross may be a good one.
It helps to get others involved---Thank you.

[morel5000]

Hi Greg,
I beg to differ, both side by sides do not match, look at the shape of the 9.

I have to check my KO, and check the frames...

Best regards,
Michel

[gregM]

Hi Michel,
You are right, they don't match. This cross is making my head hurt.

My gut still tells me it's a fake.

[morel5000]

My gut still tells me it's a fake.

Hi Greg,

I agree with you. it is an odd piece. I would like to see the KO mark though. If it isn't fake, maybe the core is pressed out of sheet metal based upon the massive core and hence explain the differences.

Best regards,
Michel

[gregM]

Just received a PM from someone over at GMIC and who had
purchased one of these crosses and he confirmed to me that
these are indeed one piece fakes.

[streptile]

Very interesting. They must have been cast straight off an original piece.

[rbminis]

I do not have a KO EK I to compare but, when I compare the photos posted, I see a couple of differences in the crown. I see too much gap in the bottom rim of the crown and I do not see any "dimples" in the top beside the cross.
Ralph.

[gregM]

Thanks Ralph

[Mike Kenny]

I have not handled one of these but for me they are also a new fake. I have 4 different KO EK1 cores and this is not one of them.

Worse, the seller of the first cross in the thread has quite a few other fakes fore sale. Second, another dodgy eBay seller has exactly the same thing up for sale now;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-Class-Ir...I/251545628440

Well spotted Greg, another fake for the file.

Regards
Mike

[morel5000]

I cannot find the one From E-stand. Would be helpfull if the seller would give more pics here, as that core in my opinion similar as the fake one.

Could someone contact the seller?

Best regards,
Michel

[gregM]

Well spotted Greg, another fake for the file.

Thanks, Mike.

Here are the pictures from the one Mike linked to.

[Mike Kenny]

And yet another, also currently on eBay, which 1/2 hides an incorrect KO marking.

[gregM]

" 3 piece construction" must mean -- the cross, the pin and the catch.

Thanks Mike for the additional post

[streptile]

These are clearly cast from an authentic piece in my opinion. It's easy to see that the one from the eStand is not one of these, since the core is in a different position within the frames.

[gregM]

I agree,

The originality of the cross from the Estand has never been
brought into question.

IMO I see some slight differences between the original
and the fakes. This might be do to something that happened
when the mold mas made or it may be just a trick of light in
the photos or maybe just my imagination.