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**Daniel Krause** · 08-10-2002, 05:21 AM

why questionable?

- For an NCO it is quite unusual to have dec. from 4 (!) countries; Prussia, Brunswick, Hessen, Baden...

- with the new law about Titles, Orders and Decorations from 1935 it was FORBIDDEN to wear the unofficial Veterans awards

here the reverse:

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**JensF.** · 08-10-2002, 07:56 AM

The seller is "Antikvoss". He maybe constructs EKI 1914 out of EKII with soldered pinbacks! I don't like the stuff he sells!! Very suspicious!!!!!!

**Dez H** · 08-10-2002, 08:01 AM

Hello

Is it just the photo or do most of the ribbons look too bright and new to be original pieces? Probably another ripped up original bar with spare parts thrown in.

Regards

Dez

**Daniel Krause** · 08-10-2002, 08:23 AM

Would think so, he has some more but smaller bars in offer, but they look all like from the same "family" Some Imperial stuff, some Weimar Veteran stuff, but made in different styles. The other bars look o.k. just from the arrangement, but this one I posted here is junk IMO.

Best regards

Daniel

**Rich G** · 08-10-2002, 08:43 AM

Daniel

Could you post a link the aution on ebay?

Thanks

Rich

**McCulloh** · 08-10-2002, 09:40 AM

I've been watching this one

I've been watching this one and the other 8 piece bar for the past week. I too am given pause by the 3 state medals-2 and I'd say "ok" but three as Rick L. says is unlikely.
Doesn't mean it didn't happen though-especially given the Brunswick/Hessen combination which is common. The Baden medal is what bothers me, but if he'd been a pilot and flown with a few different officers then it'd make sense. If the Baden medal was an Austrian bravery then it'd be o.k. too.
The HK was awarded starting in the Fall of 1934. The veterans' decorations ban went into effect November of 1935. This bar might date from Fall 1934 to Spring 1936.
Still, its' too expensive for me.
By the way, did Rick ever tell us about his Reichsflagge badge?
Cheers,
JeMc

**stogieman** · 08-10-2002, 10:12 AM

Concur

I agree, the bar is too suspect for the price. This fellow sells many things which are not right. I advise caution when dealing with him. BUT, as with all shyster's superior knowledge will allow you to grab the gold from the trash heap! I have bought 3 real, nice, early pieces from him that he did not identify as such! Happy Hunting!

**Daniel Krause** · 08-10-2002, 10:45 AM

Jeff,

O.k. the Hindenburg cross awards started in fall of 1934 but most of the normal folks didnt get it before 1935. They had to apply for it and that costs time.
If this guy was a pilot he must have been a good and well known one to get dec´s from 4 countries.
Of course such a combination is possible, but I still have greatest doubts. There is nothing special on that bar, ony a dozend of small things...
It seems to get now very common to construct medal bars from cheap single awards to bump the price with the "Spangenbonus".

Best regards

Daniel

**Klaus O.** · 08-10-2002, 11:10 AM

I agree with Daniel. Furthemore the ribbons are folded in a simply manner, which is also a less time consuming thing for someone who would put together such bar with common and cheap medals in order to sell it better on ebay.

When I was in Stuttgart during this Spring's show, I saw several dealers selling lots of medal bars with the most exotic combinations and with lots of foreign medals (Italian, Spanish, Rumanian, etc.). It was just to good to be true.

My 0.2 Euro cents.

Ciao,

Claudio

P.S.: I have already been burned by buying such a bar 10 years ago...

**Daniel Krause** · 08-10-2002, 11:20 AM

The bar finished at 312,11 Euros!

If You count the value of every single piece together, I think about 200 Euros, so it counts to sit some time and to sewn that together.....

Claudios reply about the quality of the sewing is important! Please look the reverse of the bar! In Prussian style the ribbons should be sewn in bows, not with a flat bottom like the Bavarian bars!
Rick Lundström made a thread about medal bar styles some time ago, maybe our Master can bring that up???

Best regards

Daniel

**Rick Research** · 08-10-2002, 11:22 AM

Although this "Prussian/FLAT BOTTOM" style WAS an original type (see "Catalog of Medal Bars" thread showing types in the back pages, try typing in Frackspange or something on a "Search") it was never anywhere near as popular as the Prussian "bow bottom" style, but is OVERWHELMINGLY the most common type of newly assembled fake bars:

as in so many things that have been poisoned by greedy morons, be VERY wary of huge flatbottomed medal bars to... enlisted men. These are really quite stupid, since the smaller original bars are being destroyed to concoct crap-- phony garbage that is worth LESS than selling the smaller original bars.

This is "killing the golden goose" greedy stupidity at its worst.

And it certainly does make you wonder about the sort of profoundly uninformed "collector" who allows himself to be deluded into buying this sort of "Where Eagles Dare" rubbish.

**McCulloh** · 08-10-2002, 12:16 PM

RE: HK docs

Not to back tread here... but I've been noting HK award docs over the past 6 months (since we had the discussion about their award numbers in the bottom corner) and over 60% of the ones I've seen on the market were given out on the Fall/Winter of 1934. The rest are all Spring of 1935. The most common dates are November and December 1934 and February 1935.
My assumption is that there was a rush to get these popular HK medals and then a trickle.
Wow. thats' a lot of Euromoney. Anybody going to email the buyer with the bad news?
JeMc

**JensF.** · 08-10-2002, 06:47 PM

Daniel,

I don't like the ribbon of the Baden medal. This is not the Militär-Karl-Friedrich ribbon for the wartime merit medal nor it is the simple yellow peacetime ribbon.

**Daniel Krause** · 08-11-2002, 05:03 AM

Hi Jens,

I think it is the Karl-Friedrich ribbon. Note the small white stripes on the edges and the small red stripe in the center. It seems the "constructor" folded the ribbon to fit it with the smaller loop of the medal.

Best regards

Daniel

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