Ribbon Bar: Non-com EK2, etc

[luftkrieg]

I have been meaning to show this 6-er ribbon bar for some time now, and finally I get a quiet moment.

Judging by the pin I would say it was made Godet.

I assume the owner was some sort of doctor or medic type?

Possibly Navy, given the black backing cloth?

[römischIX]

original godet piece.

may be - or some kind of official.
the most of the recipients of the non comb. ic were no medic personell

[Tan Berk]

Is that a Turkish War Medal ribbon last on the bar?

[Tan Berk]

for comparison

[luftkrieg]

Is that a Turkish War Medal ribbon last on the bar?

Yes.

[luftkrieg]

Thank you römischIX.

What kind of an official could he have been?

[römischIX]

i would say on 3rd place there was an AEZ than it must have been
an NCO rank, if there was an RAO4 it could have been an officier´s rank.


here some kind of recipients: http://www.non-combatants.com/tr%C3%A4ger-gedichte/

i have ~ 1500 names.

[Alan_G]

Hi Pierce,

It looks like there were 3 devices on this bar at one time...

Two holes on the Iron Cross ribbon.

Two more holes on the 4th ribbon.

And two more holes on the Eiserner Halbmund.

Best

Alan

[Dave Danner]

Maybe he had one of those miniature EK devices popular among Saxons. If he was alive in the 1940s, the blue ribbon could have been a Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen, although the holes don't quite match up. The TH could have had a crescent device.

To me, the combination is likely that of an Oberrat or Geheimer Rat, possibly a Baurat or Regierungsrat (not a Bergrat, I have their awards). They typically had a Red Eagle 4th Class and often an LD2 or LD1, depending on how much reserve/Landwehr time they had. If not called up for frontline service, where they would get an EK2 on the black/white ribbon, they often ended up with the EK2 on the white/black ribbon. The PrVfK and the RKM3 were also commonly awarded to government officials.

The combination might show up in the 1918 Prussian Court and State Handbook. Many officials had some combination of these awards, but in a quick look I didn't see someone with all of them.

The TH wouldn't be in the handbook, as foreign awards weren't listed in the 1918 edition. I'd say the provincial Eisenbahn-Direktionen might be a good starting point, as the Ottomans awarded a bunch of THs to railway officers and officials. This included guys who never came near the Ottoman border, but whom the Sublime Porte considered as supporting the Ottoman war effort.

Regards,
Dave

[Dave Danner]

BTW, I am color-dumb, but if that is orange enough to be the AEZ instead of the Red Eagle, then you'd have a well-decorated lower official (niedriger Beamter). I don't think there'd be much of a chance of finding him. There were way too many and they generally don't show up in handbooks. I have a semi-complete list only for the Mining Administration (Bergverwaltung) and no one matches there.

[Valter Gorenc]

Very nice bar and excellent explanation from Dave! I've learned something interesting again.

[Alan_G]

The hole markings on the EK look as though a clasp of some description was placed there due to the distance between the two holes, rather than an EK mini.

The blue ribbon looks as though it once held a wreath. Hole at top and bottom. Could this be a medical award or a foreign award, instead of the long service?

The TH probably did hold the mini crescent device.

[Konigtiger]

re the blue ribbon, it definitely isn't a german medical award. The only medical award with that ribbon was the Bavarian 1870 Medical Cross, which is impossible in this combination.

[römischIX]

the bavarian 1870 don`t make sense