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    #1

    Halbmond on E-Stand

    I'm surprised no one has made any comment about this one, currently on the e-stand:


    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=682596

    For me, the materials and hardware say post 1945 made for veterans in the 1957 style.

    Any views/thoughts/opinions on that?

    Granted, the ad does not state it is from 'the period before 1945' but it does not say it is post war either.

    Rich
    Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
    Decorations of Germany
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    #2
    I fully agree with you. Looks like a 1957 piece...



    Daniel

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      #3
      I agree as well. I've put a link to this discussion in the sales thread. I don't check the Awards estand that much since most Imperial items get posted on the Imperial estand.
      pseudo-expert

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        #4
        Hi guys!
        It looks to be an S&L piece from around 1960 or just after, the seller also has a 1st class Silesian Eagle, and a Baltic Cross in another sales thread, also S&L produced pieces from the early 57er period!
        The other pieces he posted in the 57 section and they were discussed there before going to E-stand, but he didn't post the Halbmond for discussion.
        I think he knows it is a 57 period piece, and is selling it as such, no intention to deceive, I believe he just forgot to mention the date of it???
        -Nigel
        sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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          #5
          I agree this seems to be a German made post-WW2 wearers copy.... but I'm not getting the point what's the main difference to older German made wearers copies, let's say from the 1930s. Same for EKs... I know many collectors just don't want them, and so one should state from what era they are... but in fact, they're all the same.
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            #6
            Originally posted by saschaw View Post
            what's the main difference to older German made wearers copies, let's say from the 1930s.
            1945 is the magic cut-off date between the old era and modern era. The 1920s, 1930s and obviously 1940s constituted an active military environment, even for the veterans who would be elligible for a WW1 award. But, a wearer's copy from the 1960s had a rapidly shrinking market and therefore I think enters more into the realm of collector's copy, rather than wearer's copy.

            The 1957 re-issue TR awards are legitimate. But, anything from the Imperial and Freikorps periods made and for sale around this time was mainly market opportunism.

            On a side note, the piece in question is grossly over-priced for what it is.

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              #7
              I should have mentioned that it came together with the Baltic Cross and the Silesan Eagle as a post war grouping my bad. I never intent to fool any member of this forum which I enjoy so much. It might be a little over priced but I based the price below to what Kai Winkler did on his website.

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                #8
                Originally posted by director View Post
                ... It might be a little over priced but I based the price below to what Kai Winkler did on his website.
                Not a very good comparison. His looks to be pre 1945 manufacture while yours is a 1960 copy.

                Even though from the period, Winkler's is grossly overpriced. For that price I would be expecting a premium maker from the 20's or 30's with superior metals and enameling.

                Speaking of which, I see he has updated with a large number of Halbmonds...I have never seen so many repros together and in one update in my life.
                Last edited by Rich G; 07-27-2013, 05:50 AM.
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                  Originally posted by Rich G View Post
                  Not a very good comparison. His looks to be pre 1945 manufacture while yours is a 1960 copy.

                  Even though from the period, Winkler's is grossly overpriced. For that price I would be expecting a premium maker from the 20's or 30's with superior metals and enameling.
                  Yes I totally agree with you Rich its overpriced, thanks.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
                    1945 is the magic cut-off date between the old era and modern era.
                    If "magic" means irrational, I agree. Because that's what it is! I'm not talking about orders plm by St & L, which of course were intended as collectors copies, but about the more standard awards, which are way more unusal to be found, and were indeed intended as wearers copies. I know several groups of WW1 awards assembled in the 1950s or 60s using them, and they are as legit as any other wearer copy - as long as the award was allowed to be worn.
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                      #11
                      One thing worth mentioning is, while the Halbmond for sale on the E-stand is'nt an early piece, which would probably have made it more desirable to most collectors, it is I believe a rare piece, I don't think many of these were made by S&L in the 57 period, they certainly don't turn up very often???
                      -Nigel
                      sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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                        #12
                        As long as price values have already been brought up, might I ask what a WWI German made, enamel & silver, period piece in perfect condition is selling for now (price range?). I don't collect anything post 1918, so these prices for much later and lesser quality pieces seem very out of line to me, but that just might be my bias. Perhaps I am living in the past, so could someone, who is more in tune with today's values, please enlighten me?

                        Thanks,
                        Chip

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by saschaw View Post
                          I know several groups of WW1 awards assembled in the 1950s or 60s using them, and they are as legit as any other wearer copy - as long as the award was allowed to be worn.
                          I retract what I said in part and accept what you're saying because the same is true of British WW1 vets who bought replacement medals and had them mounted right up until the last one died off. But, a lot of collectors at least want to believe that everything is pre-1945. Of course, there's also the question of what's called "new old stock" - pieces that may have been made pre-1945, but never sold.

                          I remember when I was a kid back in the early 60s going with my dad to Len Babbin's shop in Buffalo and seeing original German supplier cardboard display boards full of things like the Elephant Order, wound badges, EKs etc. These were "new old stock" and viewed at the time as army surplus. By the way, Elephant Orders were $2.50, wound badges were $.50-1.50 depending on grade, 1914 EKIIs were $3.00 and 1939 EKIIs were $5.50.

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                            #14
                            to me it looks like a copy made 2013 ............

                            S&L still making 1957 ek's ,,,so ?













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                              #15
                              [QUOTE=Montgomery Burns;5989116]to me it looks like a copy made 2013 ............

                              S&L still making 1957 ek's ,,,so ?



                              Hardware is spot on for an S&L pinback piece from the early(ish) to mid 1960's period.....
                              Solid hingeblock, thin flatwire catch, 2nd style tapering pin and the slightly later large headed hingepin!!
                              All these features changed over time, and a piece made more recently would have very different hardware!!
                              -Nigel
                              sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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