Gallipoli stars

[Rich G]

I would like to know if they can fake JHW pieces, or not - sold as "57 version"??

Lately I have seen several 'J H Werner' pieces for sale on eBay and I believe them all to be post 1945 but all sold for big money. It's when you compare it side by side with an original that you see the difference in quality in construction and materials.

[Tan Berk]

Ypu must be talking about this photo I believe

Terry, those three campaign clasps used be in your case you know that?
There is a photo some where on interenet shows the whole group in some old collection...

[Rich G]

Ypu must be talking about this photo I believe

Can you show the reverse?

I have 2 very similar that have a horizontal pin and I have no clue as to the maker.

[Tan Berk]

I don't have that star I guess Terry has it, just shared the mentioned photo. If you upload your star maybe I can help with the maker.

Tan

Can you show the reverse?

I have 2 very similar that have a horizontal pin and I have no clue as to the maker.

[demir]

Lately I have seen several 'J H Werner' pieces for sale on eBay and I believe them all to be post 1945 but all sold for big money. It's when you compare it side by side with an original that you see the difference in quality in construction and materials.

Rich can you elaborate on this subject a little more. I have been seeing two kinds of Werners one has 9 rays on the arms and the other has more than 9 rays and the pins are horizontal or vertical and tougras show differencess.
Thanks

[Rich G]

Here you go:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Orden-Eiserne...item33990c1f55

[römischIX]

I have never had a genuine Werner piece, but as Rick said - have a look at those
pieces, the thugra is made very bad and the finish looks very new.
I saw the first of them ~ 1 year ago as i did some research about it in the in net.

Werner made only high quality medals/orders and plaketten/abzeichen.

I think the shown piece of Canbaz bey homepage "Bild 16 Eiserner Halbmond für Generale" with case
is a genuine one.

[demir]

Here you go:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Orden-Eiserne...item33990c1f55

Rich I know that piece, similar ones are on the market. What I would like to understand is whether Werner made a star arm design like the one you indicated (more than 9 lines) in any period of its history.

There is also another difference: the top 3 lines of tougra (tughs) is in between the top two arms of the star if the arm has 9 lines (the number depends where you start counting them), in the other more than 9 line arm, the 3 top lines of the tougra is located in the middle of one arm which looks directly north.
Thanks

9 lines on the arms of the star and tughs are in between top two arms

http://imageshack.com/a/img743/259/9w863n.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5231/i8ghxm.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img674/4531/dU2ssf.jpg

more lines on the arms of the star and tughs are in the middle of the top arm

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/519/1OpL82.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/240/GstYsJ.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/3489/UmMbJ2.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/7332/ARvHPT.jpg

[Rich G]

Rich I know that piece, similar ones are on the market. What I would like to understand is whether Werner made a star arm design like the one you indicated (more than 9 lines) in any period of its history.

Sorry, I do not know. It is so hard to find the TWM from this maker that I only know of one style.

My feeling is that these copies are not using an original die.

[Don D.]

I agree that these are crap. They just started appearing a few years back and every year there are more. Here are the pics from the link above since they will disappear eventually from the auction site.

[Don D.]

last one. Some might call them 57er wearers copies but I doubt these ever saw the inside of the Werner establishment.

[römischIX]

Straube had a nice JHW piece a few years ago It was sold for a lot of cash.
Unfortunately i do not have a pic of it.

[Tan Berk]

These start to pop up so often and all of them seem to be aged the same way. I think they start to make a marvelous job with the obverse but they still can not do the same elegant style of the pin. When I compare these to my JH Werner, it is so obvious that these new ones did not came out of the same talented jeweler.

You can find photos of the original JH Werner in my TWM thread. Soon I will make a Study of TWMs - JH Werner thread separately.

[kaiserwilhelm2]

Hi Guys,

Here is mine. Do you like it?

Cheers, W

[demir]

Hi Guys,

Here is mine. Do you like it?

Cheers, W

Yes lovely BB&Co. Enjoy
Best wishes
Demir