Can this bar be identified ?

[mravery]

Hello All,

Is it possible for this bar to be identified ??

It is supposed to have belonged to a Lt. General ..... that retired before WW1

Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1870
Preußen Roter Adler Orden
Preußen Kronen Orden
Dienstauszeichnung
1870 war medal
Centenarmedaille
Bayern Orden vom Heiligen Michael
Türkei Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille mit Bandspange
Türkei Eiserner Halbmond

Any thoughts ??

Cheers
Mark

[Rick Research]

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[mravery]

Hey Rick,

The dealer that has this is selling it with a post '09 generals uniform ... which shows the general as retired (see the strap on the shoulder)..... His original description of the ribbons are:

Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse 1914
Preußen Roter Adler Orden
Preußen Kronen Orden
Dienstauszeichnung
Frontkämpferkreuz 1914-18
Centenarmedaille
Bayern Orden vom Heiligen Michael
Türkei Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille mit Bandspange
Türkei Eiserner Halbmond

But I think that he is wrong about the IC and the 14-18 medal..... If this guy was retired prior to WW1 they should be the earlier medals....

I'm trying to ID the bar.. so that I can ID the tunic (if the bar is even original to the tunic)

Cheers
Mark

[Rick Research]

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[mravery]

Hey Rick,

This style tunic was worn throught the war... so he could have seen WWI service... but I don't think so.... Also there is only one set of loops on the tunic for a breast badge.........

Was there any award of the Turkish awards to Germans prior to WW1 or were they only found post 1914 ?

Cheers and Thanks
Mark

[Dave Danner]

Hey Rick,

This style tunic was worn throught the war... so he could have seen WWI service... but I don't think so.... Also there is only one set of loops on the tunic for a breast badge.........

Was there any award of the Turkish awards to Germans prior to WW1 or were they only found post 1914 ?

Cheers and Thanks
Mark

There were plenty of awards of Ottoman decorations to Germans before WW1, but not of the War Medal ("Eiserner Halbmond"), which did not exist pre-war.

[mravery]

New pics.. front and back

Here are the new pics

[mravery]

and the back

[Rick Research]

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[mravery]

Ribbon bar LOOKS "good," but it is just a COMBINATION that makes NO SENSE for a late-60s retiree in "desert combat."

Rick,

What about as an Advisor of some sort ??

Wouldn't that also make sense as of the rank (Lt. Gen.) ??

M

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Mark,

I think not a LtGen! Impossible!
MAYBE this is the bar of a Charakterized MajGen but not more.
Red Eagle and Crown still as medal bar classes indicates LtColonel or Colonel before WW1.
I can have a look in my stuff if I find a fitting one.

Best regards

Daniel

[mravery]

Hi Mark,

I think not a LtGen! Impossible!
MAYBE this is the bar of a Charakterized MajGen but not more.
Red Eagle and Crown still as medal bar classes indicates LtColonel or Colonel before WW1.
I can have a look in my stuff if I find a fitting one.

Best regards

Daniel

Hey Daniel,

Thanks...... but don't worry about the ribbon bar...... I was trying to use the bar to identify the tunic.. to see if I should buy it (tunic)...... I was hoping that by using the bar.. the General's name could be found... but I think (as Rick has suggested) that it's a Red Herring and probably does not go with the tunic. That is.. unless it was his BEFORE he was promoted......

Cheers
Mark

[stogieman]

I'll agree here.......

... bar looks fine, but not appropriate to the tunic.......

[Daniel Krause]

So, I checked today my Generals files.

This bar does definetly not belong to a Guy promoted General before 1920.
Maybe this bar can be of a Reichsheer 1920-1933 General, I still do not have included all of there in my files.

Best regards

Daniel

[mravery]

So, I checked today my Generals files.

This bar does definetly not belong to a Guy promoted General before 1920.
Maybe this bar can be of a Reichsheer 1920-1933 General, I still do not have included all of there in my files.

Best regards

Daniel

Thanks Daniel !!!!

I think that's another beer I owe you

Cheers
Mark