WW1 State Cockades-- And Photos

[mott5ranch]

Me too, I never paid them much attention. I didn't know there were so many different types until now.

[JensF.]

Has someone a picture of a cockade from Hessen-Darmstadt???

[AOK4]

And here is a Saxon private's visor cap state cockade, probably never issued since it is in almost perfect condition--

the black showing through is NOT from a Prussian repaint, the entire cockade was apparently dipped in a black undercoating and then the relevant colors were painted on the front.

Rick,

this is not correct, it is a cockade from one of the minor Saxon duchies (Altenburg, Coburg-Gotha or Meiningen)...

I collected cockades too but I am now selling my collection of cockades (if anyone is interested, drop me a line)...

Jan

[JensF.]

Jan, have you got a pic of the cockade of Hessen??

[AOK4]

Jan, have you got a pic of the cockade of Hessen??

[JensF.]

Thanks!!!

[Brian S]

Great Thread! Rick, this is enlisted, but what? Thanks.

[AOK4]

Great Thread! Rick, this is enlisted, but what? Thanks.

Prussian cockade below, Reichs-cockade on top on a blue Friedensuniform peak cap for artillery or engineers by the looks of it...

Jan

[Chip M]

This is an old thread, but when it was pointed out to me as a reference, I noticed that there are several mistakes. First of all, the Bavarian officer's cockade is not a M16, but rather is the pre-1916 pattern. The M16 pattern has a very large blue center area with a smaller outer ring. There was no Bavarian officer's pattern cap cockade that was similar to the enlisted version (with alternating color rings). And thus, the photo shown here of the Bavarian officer is correct and the cockade makes perfect sense with his pre-1916 tunic.

The "bump" in the center of the brad-backed cocades was not the head of a brad, but rather was there as a pooling area for the solder, which held the prongs in place. If the area had been flat, there would not have been a place to catch the solder and therefore submerge the bent wire of the prongs.

According to Kraus, only Hamburg and Lübeck enlisted men wore the white cockade with red maltese cross on their Feldmützen. Bremen enlisted men wore one that was ringed White/Red/White, nearly identical with the Hessian pattern. The the reason the one shown in the photo from the man in IR75 has a cross is because it is an enlisted reservist cockade.

AOK4 is correct concerning the misidentification of the kingdom of "Saxony" enlisted visored cap cockade. It is one from the Saxon dutchies.

This subject is actually a bit more complex that it first appears. And there does need to be a comprehensive article done. I have a collection of these, but do not have all of the examples to show. If anyone has pieces that don't fit into their collections, I would be interested.

Chip