Non-combatant EK tuxedo bar

[streptile]

Since we're talking about non-combatant EKs lately, I thought I'd show this sweet little Frackspange I picked up from Sascha's shop last year.

The EK is very neat -- made by J. Godet and in my opinion a Third Reich-era frosted neusilber version, which must certainly be the rarest type of the "standard" Godet frame/core combination.

[streptile]

Back of the bar.

[Kraal]

Absolutely awesome man, what a quality! I don't know where you are always digging those diamonds out (okay, in this case I know, Sascha has great stuff), but man, keep digging!

[VonPeter]

Very nice, thanks for showing it.

/peter

[Scott Powell]

Nice!!!!!!!!

[luftkrieg]

Magnificent!

Kind regards
Pierce

[streptile]

Thank you for the nice comments guys.

I don't know where you are always digging those diamonds out...

Networking, networking...

[pzrwest]

I agree this is one beautiful medal bar and condition is fantastic!!!!!...... Harold

[EK Hunter]

Sweet, sweet, sweet! Thanks for sharing pics of this outstanding bar, Trev. I especially love your frosted Godet EK2...a real stunner!

Best,

Alex

[Konigtiger]

I know what is on my wishlist for Santa next year...

[Don D.]

Trevor always seems to have a super nice example of whatever we talk about.

[Gew44]

The EK is very neat -- made by J. Godet and in my opinion a Third Reich-era frosted neusilber version, which must certainly be the rarest type of the "standard" Godet frame/core combination.

Very nice Trevor, a little jewel.

About the frosted newsilber version during Third Reich era I've bought today this one, marked S-W on ring and I think frosted and core black gloss enameled.
If made during TR era the MM is not compatible, is my humble opinion this EK frosted are made since '20.
Have you check below the band if a MM is present or not ? And the dimension ? If TR the crosses have also 44x44 mm not 42x42 mm typical of WWI productions.
Only to say that; frosted crosses WWI probably made before the TR and your is possible made during this "belle epoque"era.
Here the seller pics.

Ciao

[streptile]

Trevor always seems to have a super nice example of whatever we talk about.

Heh heh, thanks Don, and thanks everyone for the nice comments.

is my humble opinion this EK frosted are made since '20. Have you check ... the dimension ? If TR the crosses have also 44x44 mm not 42x42 mm typical of WWI productions. Only to say that; frosted crosses WWI probably made before the TR and your is possible made during this "belle epoque"era.

Hi Max,

Nice cross

In my opinion the "frosting" was used since the turn of the century (c. 1900) on some makers' crosses (e.g. AWS, Godet). Also, the "Third Reich era" spans from 1933 to 1945 (I didn't say WWII era) so I have no problems accepting a 42mm Godet from the Third Reich era as 44mm crosses were not introduced until 1939 (also, 42mm 1914 crosses were made after 1939).

It isn't so much the frosting that leads me to believe this cross is TR-era, but the silvering process, the paint, the frame material, and of course the cross's neighbor down the bar. I haven't looked for a mark but I assume it has a "G" on the ring.

A Happy New Year to all.

[Don D.]

Observations and questions:

Imperial cross sizes vary from 42-44mm depending upon maker so a 44mm cross is not necessarily a TR period cross. I don't think Hitler's order to make the crosses larger applied to the Imperial crosses specifically but more to the ones he instituted for the 1939 conflict. He wanted "his" crosses to be bigger. The fact we find TR era ones that big probably has more to do with economy of manufactuer. Why have 2 different sets of dies for what is basically the same award manufacturing-wise.

When did frosting frames begin? Is theere documentation or verifiable dated examples? Is the early frosting the same as the TR frosting technique/method?

[streptile]

Imperial cross sizes vary from 42-44mm depending upon maker so a 44mm cross is not necessarily a TR period cross. I don't think Hitler's order to make the crosses larger applied to the Imperial crosses specifically but more to the ones he instituted for the 1939 conflict. He wanted "his" crosses to be bigger. The fact we find TR era ones that big probably has more to do with economy of manufactuer. Why have 2 different sets of dies for what is basically the same award manufacturing-wise.

Hey Don,

I agree 100% with everything you wrote.