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    #1

    Wagner & Sohn EK picture request

    Hello all

    Does anybody have a 1914 EK marked WS, for the firm of Wagner & Sohn? I have some reference material here but I seem have come to the conclusion that WS used two different pin, catch and hook assemblies. Any information or pictures would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.


    Regards

    Dez
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    Hi,

    I have this beauty marked "W & S" for Wagner & Sohn, Berlin.





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      #3
      Hi Dez,

      I have one back in Oz, and am back home for the springbok rugby test weekend after this one, so I will dig it out, and post a pic on my return.

      Regards,

      Tim

      PS, Fine cross you have there majorpayne, is it an unissued one? or just lovingly looked after.

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        #4
        Hi Tim,

        I think this cross is unissued. There are no marks of wear. A real fine beauty!

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          #5
          Dez,
          I assume you are looking for WS marked EK1's to compare pins and catches? I have a couple back at home and will post them this weekend. If you don't see them by Sunday, PM me to jog my memory.

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            #6
            Uups, I didn't read that you search pics of an EK I. Sorry...

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              #7
              Hello everyone

              Yes Doug I am looking at a few pictures here of EK 1's and they have different pins and WS markings. I will try and post some of these later today.

              majorpayne; no harm done, that is a really nice EK2 thanks for sharing him with us.


              Regards

              Dez

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                #8
                Hello everyone

                If we look at the following pictures from http://www.derrittmeister.com/ We can see some differences in the reverse of WS marked EK's.






                The reverse of this piece looks questionable to me, I don’t like the makers mark it looks like its been hand done. Rather shabby job at that too. The pin looks ok but the catch is not the usual I have seen on WS marked piece. Maybe the pin was replaced at some stage? As for the picture of the front it is too dark to really make a good judgement. So I am not sure on this one for reference.
                Last edited by Dez H; 07-19-2002, 06:41 PM.

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                  #9
                  Here is another piece from Ken's site, this one I like allot more. The mark looks correct, the stamped type.





                  I also like the pin, it is identical to the piece I am looking at buying. The front is also identical.

                  Thoughts?


                  Regards

                  Dez

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                    #10
                    Hi Dez,

                    Both pieces are perfectly good examples of Wagner 1914 EK1s. Sorry for not posting examples in a timely fashion so that you may compare-- in time, I will do so. I think that I MIGHT even have yet another version to share!

                    Don't sell the first version too short-- notice the oval backing plate behind the hinge-- extra care was taken in the manufacture of this item. I have several of these-one is marked 900--and it is my theory that they were a step up from the average incuse marked versions sans the backing plates! Remember: EK's were made and marked by hand, which may account for your scepticism regarding the hallmark.

                    Hope this helps a bit-more will follow!
                    Last edited by Eric Stahlhut; 07-19-2002, 07:04 PM.

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                      #11
                      Here are images of a Wagner & Sohn EK1. This cross is identical to the first one posted above. It has the oval backing plate on the hinge and has the same style catch. It also has a very similar engraved "WS" marking to the right of the catch. The only thing wrong with this EK is the slight bend to the pin - I guess this could be attributed to wear by the original owner.



                      Brian

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                        Obverse...

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                          Reverse...

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                            Mark...

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                              #15
                              Eric, thanks I feel much more confidant now in ID’ing this particular maker’s pieces. Perhaps Wagner & Sohn started off with the hand engraving and later moved to using the stamp tool for their name? Brian you have a very nice cross there, is the case original to the EK?

                              Regards

                              Dez

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