Elefantenorden

[IR61]

Hi Guys!
I have some problems determine the authenticity of this badge....i really don't know what to think.

Some ideas?

Kind Tommy

[luftkrieg]

Hi Tommy

This is an original Elephantorden, made from zinc/war-metal.

What are your concerns with it?

Kind regards
Pierce

[IR61]

Hi Pierce!
Well my concerns with it was the black "color" on it,are you sure it's made out of zinc? I am no expert but it doesn't look like zinc. Can it be patina? I know there is badges made out of zinc but aren`t they later made badges? I thought the ones with this needle was early ones? Am i wrong?

Kind regards Tommy

[Don D.]

Unfortunately these are faked. Compare it to the club's website and Antique Beck. If it doesn't match theirs it could be good.

[IR61]

Hi!

Well i compared it to the "club" and,and at least i dont think its one of those.But if you say the both ones Beck has in his shop are fakes...then its more difficult.The cheaper one he offers are a obvious fake but the one more expensive i thought was a good one?? Is that one a fake too??

Kind regards Tommy

[saschaw]

My gut doesn't like that one.... detail doesn't look good, it's possibly cast.

Is this one offered on German eBay? I recently saw one by one more seller I can not recommend... might be this?

[IR61]

Hi!
Yes from Ebay. So that seller is not to recommend buying from?
And i know what you mean,it looks okay but in the same time it doesn't...the aging isent right.Its so black,would be fun holding it in hand,so you could examin it.

Kind Tommy

[saschaw]

Just checked if it's the one I thought it were, and it is. Of course not all of his stuff is bad - but from the expensive ones, I haven't seen one by now I would want for my collection...

[Don D.]

Has he been added to the "Dealers to be aware of" thread?

[luftkrieg]

Hi Tommy,

Is it possible to get a photo of the rim of the medal? And some close-ups of the lettering?

Kind regards
Pierce

[Brian L.]

Tommy

My 2 cents worth is that I very strongly believe that this has been chemically oxidized. It's far too even in the dark parts and I just don't think these badges ever oxidized like this.

Personally, I'd err on the side of caution and wait.