1870 Ekii

[EKman]

What do you guys think of this one. I dont like the frame, it does not look to have aged along with the rest of the piece, but I am not really sure, just wanted some other opinions on this one.

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[EKman]

Here is another shot.

[EKman]

Here is the reverse

[Tim Tezer]

Well the pictures aren't much to go on, but I think it looks an awful lot like pieces that were being sold as repros a few years ago and are now starting to show up with a little age added, being re-sold as originals.

Can you get better photos?


Tim

[Biro]

Hi Tim...

This is mine, which I thought was a match (thin W, etc...) so naturally VERY interested in the 'repro' comment.

Anything more you can add about that...?

Cheers

Marshall

[EKman]

Sorry, this is an ebay item, so these are the only pics available. When I looked at this one, it struck me as a piece that has been put together using a 1914 frame with an aged repro 1870 core, but I am not sure.

[Brian S]

Biro, if you have matched yours to an example on a medal bar you should have no repro questions. For me that is the one and only test. Condition is irrelevant. Look at the ribbons on these early crosses. The white paint flakes off. Who cares? I'd rather have the original on the original bar than a later cross.

[Biro]

Hi Brian...

This is the closest I have come to a medal bar match.....a Baden bar....but the frame looks significantly wider than mine. Maybe you can help me with this...are they a match purely on core style.. or do we need exact like for like??

Cheers

Marshall...

[Brian S]

An exact match! I think if you look you'll find one.

[Tim Tezer]

Here is the fake I was referring to. This piece was sold at Berliner Auktionhaus fur Geschichte about five or six years ago AS A COPY. Their catalog description said it was 39mm (width and height I suppose) and weighed 20 grams. To my eye, this piece is nearly identical to the one EKman posted - narrow lines on the "W", rounded-off corners, frame overlapping the "W" at the lower left, and the rather weak definition of the numbers. Without examining both peices up close, it would naturally not be possible to determine if they are the same, but if you're buying based on photos, then you have to draw your conclusions based on photos.

[Tom Y]

New rust

[Brian S]

Look at the 1813 of the cross Tim posted. This is a great photo to have of a copy!!!


Look at the second 1 in the 1813, it droops. I'll remember this one as the droopy one 1870 fake.

[Brian S]

closer details

[Tim Tezer]

Look at the second 1 in the 1813, it droops. I'll remember this one as the droopy one 1870 fake.

Yes... the "droopy-one-roundy-corner-narrow-W" fake.

Tim

[Biro]

Yes... the "droopy-one-roundy-corner-narrow-W" fake.

Tim

Easy with the humour now boys .....I just matched it 100% to mine



Tim - thanks for posting this.... how definite are you on the wording of the catalogues reference to 'COPY'.... and what weight would their description hold ( I don't know them)

I'm in the unfortunate predicament where I can't go back to claim my 'life-time' money back guarantee from the dealer based on the word of one forum member, however I am inclined to agree with you. This one has niggled me for some time, but I don't have the experience - and if the catalogue is five years old, I haven't a hope of obtaining a copy.....

Mine does, however, measure 43 X 43 (not 39mm) and it dosen't look noticeably bigger than the one you posted but the cores are IDENTICAL.

And what of the match to the Baden Bar?.....maybe not such a safe X-reference.....??

HELP?

Marshall