Heinrich Müller, NCO Pilot

[ccj]

Does anyone know what unit Heinrich Müller was assigned to during the 1st W War? Was he a fighter pilot or in a two seater unit? Did he have any victories? Are there any good pictures of him in WWI or WWII uniform?
All I know is that he was in the Bavarian army, became a pilot and rose to a NCO rank during the war. Does anyone have a complete list of his awards? His tunic shows loops for two long ribbon bars. He was a career policeman serving from about 1920 until 1936 when he became Gestopo Chief.
His awards that I know are:
WWI Bavarian Pilot badge
WWI Bavarian retired pilot badge
EKII 1914
EKI 1914
EKII 1939 spange
KVK II 1939 with swords
KVK I 1938 with swords
KVK, Knights cross with swords
Maybe a wound badge
Front Fighter's cross
Police long Service

[McCulloh]

I think that Gestapo Muller got his EK2 and EK1 at the same time for a bombing/recce raid on Paris in the Spring of 1918. In the book "The Hunt for Gestapo Muller" you might find some more deatils. I think Charles Whiting wrote the book (and its not a good one I might add; it actually nods at the possibility that Muller ended his life in Maryland as an FBI/CIA "advisor".
Bah!
moremad
Cheers,
JeMc

[ccj]

Well,

Hard as it may be to accept, the CIA files that have turned up show that it is highly likely that Muller did join the CIA in 1948 as an adviser and retired or was released from service in the mid 50s.
I would not don't it a bit as the 40s and 50s were the decades of communist round ups and the CIA surely would use any help they could and Muller had a wealth of info from his time as Chief of the Gestapo.
The US has used many sorry SOBs who were Nazis to fight the cold war and to aid in there medical research.
I don't think Muller could have lived in the open in the US but he could have lead a nice life in seclusion with the help of the US.
Or, he could have been killed in 1945 but I doubt it. He was very low profile and most likely fled to switzerland before the war ended with dozens of bank accounts full of money.

[McCulloh]

The "files" were and are fakes-obvious ones at that. They are riddled with errors, rely upon a number of "agents" who conveniently are/were dead when they were "discovered" and the recent release of the CIA and Justice Department files (regarding the real search for Muller) prove them to be fakes.
I have noted that at the meetings of retired CIA/OSS officers that we have here annually-if you reallly want to rile them up, ask them about these "books".
In addition, how can anyone believe that in a country which ardently backs Israel as much as it does, and always has done, we would cajole the likes of Muller-who was as bold a genocidal, murdering thug as anything the Nazis produced.
True, we did some deals to "block" the communists, but Muller was of no use after May 1945-by then his "knowledge of the Communists" was obsolete. We did use Gahlen and Von Braun -and if Von Braun shouldn't have been shot as a war criminal for Dora-then nobody should have.
Anyway, my opinion and if we wish to continue the so called "Muller Diaries" I suggest we do so on the Kneipe. moremad

[ccj]

Well,

Funny how upset one can get over such things that are really not of any importance. Whether or not he lived or died, worked with the US or didn't is really not important. The fact is that the US used anyone they could to help them and murder surley doesn't matter. Getting the truth from an OSS, CIA, FBI, ATF employee is never certain.

All I really care about it to learn a bit about this man's WWI service. He is dead for sure now so all I am curious about are the ribbon bars he wore.

Anyway, I am curious to learn more about Imperial long service, police long service, and Third Reich long service awards and if many different long service awards could be worn together.

[ccj]

Oh, by the way. I have read the Muller diaries. Don't like spending money on that sort of thing.
I wonder about that sort of thing myself as who knows if what you are reading has been taken from a man's diary or made up unless you have taken the diary from the man personally.