Call to order--The "Holy Grail" club 2012

[streptile]

Straight-on.

[streptile]

...And here's a new one to me, and to the club. This is the same type Willi shows (welcome to the club Willi, and congratulations ). Silver, three-piece, blackened cast iron core with step-sides, later 30mm ribbon. I would date this piece to after 1835, when there was still a great need for iron crosses among veterans.

[streptile]

In this angled view, you can see the core's step.

Also interesting to note is that this piece has the same frame as Kay's in post 3 -- a frame which I know was used by Godet (but I do not know whether it was used exclusively by Godet) for both 1813 EKs (of both classes) and 1870 EKs (of at least 2. Class). This one has the squared-off jumpring lug, very typical for EKs with this type of core. This lug can also be seen on Tony's in post 14, and was on Willi's before the (very common) repair on his. The square lug is present with this core, it seems, no matter which actual frame die was used.

Finally a shot of both crosses together.

[petopoint]

wunderbar

Wow, some great looking early crosses.

Peto at point

[ddbinks]

Nice crosses! I hope to be a member of this exclusive club some day.....

Regards,
Eric

[gregM]

Nice addition Trevor
Thanks for posting it.

[streptile]

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the comment and thanks for starting the thread.

This one has the squared-off jumpring lug, very typical for EKs with this type of core. This lug can also be seen on Tony's in post 14, and was on Willi's before the (very common) repair on his. The square lug is present with this core, it seems, no matter which actual frame die was used.

I realized that mine doesn't really show the lug to good effect so I'll add a picture of Bob Hritz's cross that does:

[Montgomery Burns]

i wonder if you guy's have looked fore these following remarkable production signs .
(who i suspect to be from the soldering machine off mr Neuwerker )

maybe mistaken but ,,,,
i do suspect to see them on some off the crosses shown here

streptiles first and WillZ's cross i do see some marks that maybe such marks

regards kay

[streptile]

Hi Kay,

If you have Klingbeil's book Orden Band 3, look at item 1880. It will be very interesting to you -- has many of these small "rivets."

[Montgomery Burns]

Hi Kay,

If you have Klingbeil's book Orden Band 3, look at item 1880. It will be very interesting to you -- has many of these small "rivets."

unfortunately Trevor ,, i do not have the book .
(even do i do spend a fortune on books )

but i thank you fore the info ...i try to find the book on the net ,,

and we see from there ,,,exited to see what i find

thank you

regards kay

[Roglebk]

Here's my small contribution to the club. It has the same "square cut out by jumpring" as Tonys and maybe Aliks too. One of the frame halves has been cut for the jumpring to attach. This also makes the jumpring very fragile, as seen on some 1813 Prinzen that got repaired jumprings.

It also got a 'scrunched bead' that is found on at least 8 others, actually all crosses i got on file exept one that is too worn. More about that later.

[streptile]

Great pics and beautiful cross Carl. Welcome to the club

[gregM]

Great pics and beautiful cross Carl. Welcome to the club

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[AlikN]

Very nice Carl! That cross cleaned out very nicely. Congratulation!.............

[AlikN]

.... It has the same "square cut out by jumpring" as Tonys and maybe Aliks too. ....

Here that square cut. The way it was made - first that small ring was hard silver-soldered to one of the halves, so all the tension on one half only - that is why we see some repaired crosses, it is a weak spot. Second half of the frame soldered to first frame only and with a weak lead-tin based solder, and that cut was made to feet the second frame around small ring.