Gallipoli Star - Who is the Maker?

[Roglebk]

I'm sorry, but my English isn't good enough to explain the reason for the "star" stamp. Markings depend on the Austrian "Punzierungsgesetz" (from 1867, I believe). Elder decorations were not marked in this way.

Fact is: In WWI a large amount of decorations (formerly made from silver or gold) was awarded in bronce "versilbert" oder bronce "vergoldet". To state this, these parts were stamped with the "star". You can find it on decorations like Military-Merit-Crosses, Franz-Josef-Orders, Iron Crown Orders, and so on.

Sorry for the poor explanation, I hope another Austrian collector will be better in English.

The Punzierungsgesetz has nothing to do with the star mark. That regulates the hallmarks used. The star is not a hallmark.

Please show a Neusilber or versilbert Austrian makermarked order with a star mark. It would be my first.

Your english is exellent!

[Roglebk]

Some German makers are said to have used the mark too. I think C. F. Zimmermann from Pforzheim was one of them, and this Ottoman war medal might well be made by them.

I agree and the thread starter might match this Silver one:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=590388

[Roglebk]

Comparising the Silber with Star marked. Cypher and pin is not the same, neither the pattern behind enamel.

[peterm]

The Punzierungsgesetz has nothing to do with the star mark. That regulates the hallmarks used. The star is not a hallmark.

Please show a Neusilber or versilbert Austrian makermarked order with a star mark. It would be my first.

Your english is exellent!

Hi !

Thanks for the flowers, but on this forum its often difficult for me to explain things...

Punzierungsgesetz: I meant markings of this kind in general.

Photos: I am not allowed to load up photos in this forum.

Please look at the ring of a bronce-gilted Franz-Josef-Order or at the backside of the Pendillien of a bronce-gilted Order of the Iron Crown - I'm sure, You will find the star there in many cases.

Kind regards,

Peter

[saschaw]

On gilt stuff - no doubt, yes. But the question is, if we find it on silvered stuff, too... ?!

I honestly have no idea.

[peterm]

Sascha, I had a military-merit-cross IIIrd class with this star on the ring. But you are right, normally on bronce-GILTED material.

Kind regards,

Peter

[demir]

But this is not an Austrian nor German award...it would have been bought as a private purchase piece and not awarded by the state.

Hi,

As far as I know Austrian made TWMs usually had axterix on them. May be one of the manufacturers which produced the TWMs used axterix as a hallmark or as mentioned by Peterm it was a sign indicating that it was not silver (since there was no gold TWM).

But as usual Richard made a good point, this is an Ottoman award and according to the TWM regulation there is only one type. The Ottoman made poor quality ones had been replaced by the German or Austrian made ones by those who would like to have nice looking ones. So there was no rain check or whatsoever, either you buy your own better quality one or you get the official one.

Regards

[Roglebk]

Hi,

As far as I know Austrian made TWMs usually had axterix on them.

Please show one! Which Austrian Jewellers made the TWM and how were they makermarked?

[Roglebk]

Sascha, I had a military-merit-cross IIIrd class with this star on the ring. But you are right, normally on bronce-GILTED material.

Kind regards,

Peter

Was that MMC maker marked? Please upload those pics with some Photo hosting service or PM me and i'll put it here.

[Rich G]

In the latest update of Philipp Militaria there is a 1914 EK1 marked with an asterix. The cross is the pumpkin crown type with blued core which I believe is attributed to Zimmermann.

Although I cannot see the asterix well in the TWM that started this thread, they do not appear to be the same mark.

Art.Nr. 115629

Rich

[Roglebk]

In the latest update of Philipp Militaria there is a 1914 EK1 marked with an asterix. The cross is the pumpkin crown type with blued core which I believe is attributed to Zimmermann.

Although I cannot see the asterix well in the TWM that started this thread, they do not appear to be the same mark.

Art.Nr. 115629

Rich

Here it is.

Those type of crosses are also claimed to be made by Wiennese Jeweller C F Rothe.

One EKII have been found maker marked (HUW).

Many times they are found with different German Silver hallmarks.

Never saw a Silver framed one with a Star mark.

Never saw one with a Austrian Silver hallmark.

Some of them were found in the "C F Zimmermann factory lot".

WWII made variants with LDO mark L/52 also exists.


My own conclusion so far.

CFZ made the dies, parts and also assembled crosses. They also sold parts or finished crosses to Austrian Jewellers.

[90th Light]

I just recently got this one which adds a bit more to the puzzel that this thread is all about,

Chris

[90th Light]

There are a few more images posted here http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...Gallipoli+Star

Chris