Medal Bar, 6 Peice

[uknews]

Please could I have any thoughts on this medal bar?

Thanks, Mark.

[Don D.]

Hard to say from these pics but here is something to consider:

1. The ribbons are all pristine except for the EK ribbon which is well worn.

2. The construction looks good.

3. This kind of tabbed bar can easily be messed with.

[luftkrieg]

Hard to say from these pics but here is something to consider:

1. The ribbons are all pristine except for the EK ribbon which is well worn.

2. The construction looks good.

3. This kind of tabbed bar can easily be messed with.

Don makes 3 very good points. It is, however, good to see that the ribbon furls all look the same and do not appear to be taken from different medal bars.

But the "dirtiness" of the EK2 ribbon is puzzling.

Kind regards
Pierce

[Exile]

Don makes 3 very good points. It is, however, good to see that the ribbon furls all look the same and do not appear to be taken from different medal bars.

But the "dirtiness" of the EK2 ribbon is puzzling.

Kind regards
Pierce

Personally I think the wear pattern is what one would (and should) expect to see in a good bar.

If you look at the respective ages of each award (and the likely period they were awarded to him) then it would be:

EKII + Schaumberg Lippe + Long Service

15 years later...

Honor Cross

10 years later...

KVK + Faithful Service

To my eyes the amount of wear and dirt on each ribbon looks appropriate, and the group itself looks consistent for the medals to have been mounted, worn, re-mounted, worn, and re-mounted for a third time as the guy was being awarded new medals.

The real question for me is "how likely is it he kept his original EKII ribbon and how likely is it that he wore that medal the longest or the most".

The EKII ribbon does look like it has seen 25 years more life than the KVK and Faithful Service, so I would say the answer to that is 'quite likely'.

Personally I'd have no issues accepting this as a good piece

Matt

[Wild Card]

With regard to the ribbon wear, there are two points to consider.

1. Because the ribbons on such a bar are mounted one over the other from right to left, the EK ribbon winds on the top of the heap, so to speak. Hence, it is the most vulnerable to scuffing and wear.

2. Unlike the other awards on this bar, EK’s were often worn on a regular basis, sometimes even in field conditions. In this case though, while the ribbon is quite worn, the cross itself appears to be rather mint.

Beyond that, I do not know enough about bars to make a judgment on this one.

Regards,

Wild Card

[Tony T-S]

Would the EK II ribbon have been worn on the uniform then used to make this mount later? That would explain the medal in good condition while the ribbon is worn.

[Wild Card]

Would the EK II ribbon have been worn on the uniform then used to make this mount later? That would explain the medal in good condition while the ribbon is worn.

Yes, I believe that that was done quite often.

[Valter Gorenc]

Very good observations and opinions! I don't think EK ribbon is more worn due to his top-on position. The upper top edge of the bar is more exposed than middle-lower part of Ek ribbon, so that should not be the reason. The only explanation is the bar is assembled with new(er) ribbons for all awards except EK2. The only reasonable explanation is the bar maker used old, worn ribbon for EK, and now(er) ribbons for the rest. Maybe the guy had old single mounted EK that was scrapped and used to make the big bar? He was kind of low-mid range official during WW2, some work with war effort, so he didn't have much chance to wear this ribbon. Did the recipient who ordered bar had to bring all the components (including ribbons) to the maker, or just medals, and maker provided the rest? Maybe for economiy reasons (war) he brought old ribbons to save a few marks.

Matt's observations are very good. I assume Lippe cross is more shine b/c gilding on this cross was far better when produced, so it appears in the same condition as 40 LS.

[römischIX]

imo definitely a good one.

but thats right - this version is easy to fake.

the bar was made about in the 40s. it was a ww1 veteran how
served later probably as an official. the combo with war merit cross without X and 40s long service cross is typical and often seen on another bars.

in germany if you have served more than 12 years as a soldier, you have the right to get a job as an official. so this never chanced in more than 100 years.