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    Opinions on Mecklenburg-Strelitz Cross for Bravery?

    This is one of the more elusive Imperial crosses that I have been looking for for some time. According to O'Connor, some 400 or so of these crosses were awarded between 1914 and 1918.

    Apart from a converted 2nd class example offered by a dealer at a show in Germany and Bobby Lees' example here on the forum, I have not seen any close-up images of this cross before. Judging by the pin and catch arrangement, this could be a privately made example from the 1920s or 1930s.

    When asked about provenance, the seller stated that it was acquired direct from the family and was one of the few pieces found that belonged to the original recipient (for what a story is worth). He has promised (to the family) not to reveal the name of the original owner, but will give a full return policy, so I am not too worried about buying something that might not stand up to closer scrutiny.

    Hessenthal and Schreiber describes the original issue pieces as having two additional hooks on the rear. The images shown here and on Dave Dammers site suggest that there was also a simple version without these hooks.

    The images below show a cross that differs in minor detail from Bobby Lees', e.g. in beading, lettering and pin/catch assembly.

    So, the big questions are: Who else has an example to show and what do you all think of this one?

    The material is said to be Alpacca and the cross seems to be unmarked.

    What do you think?
    Last edited by Frosch; 12-14-2005, 03:07 PM.

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    Oblique view:
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      #3
      Rear view:
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        #4
        Rear view with pin closed:
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          #5
          Side view from below:
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            #6
            Another side view:
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              Catch and pin assembly:
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                #8
                Hinge detail:
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                  #9
                  Many thanks in advance for your comments.

                  Catch detail:
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                    #10
                    Have you all got writer's cramp or do you know something that I don't?

                    The Knights Cross of the Iron Cross was awarded more than more than 7,000 times and everyone is prepared to condemn or approve them.

                    This cross was awarded just over 400 times and no one has an opinion to offer? I don't get it.

                    If anyone has one in their collection to show, or has any positive or negative comments to offer, please, I would love to hear them.

                    Thanks in advance and back to the top.

                    /David

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                      #11
                      Hi David,

                      i must have missed this thread. Indeed this is a beautiful and very rare cross, that you have there. I cannot definately tell you, if its the real deal, but i like it very much and its ok IMO. I think, the little interest results of the fact, that it has no swastika on it

                      Nice one!

                      best,
                      Gerd

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                        #12
                        Hi Gerd,

                        Thanks for the reply. Trust you are enjoying yourself and I look forward to seeing you closer to home in the near future.

                        Well guys and gals, any other opinions?

                        /David

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                          #13
                          If I had to guess, I'd say post-war too. Three reasons:

                          1. The beading, as noted. It should be finer.
                          2. The inner parts of the arms look like they should be more convex (though this might just be a trick of the camera).
                          3. The wreath lacks detail. At the very least, the midribs of the leaves should be distinct (though these are often the first parts to wear down since they are the highest).

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                            #14
                            Thanks to everyone for the comments so far.

                            I haven't parted with any money for this yet, and I really would appreciate any further comments before I do.

                            Can anyone comment on the pin and catch? Age or approximate era? Any comparisons with known (approximate or otherwise) dates of other pin-back crosses?

                            Come on you cross owners, if it were an EK 1, everybody would chip in!

                            Many thanks in advance,

                            /David

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                              #15
                              David,

                              Here is my example for comparison. I don't know if you have seen it. It is convex. Dave brings up some extremely valid points. The details of the cross in question seem to have been buffed out.
                              Last edited by Eric Stahlhut; 06-04-2008, 08:49 PM.

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