A little something for Kay

[Don D.]

Restating this question:

Prior to the ending of the nobility would more than one family member have used the title "Graf" at the same time? Or would the other members just have been von Sponecks?

[Montgomery Burns]

Restating this question:

Prior to the ending of the nobility would more than one family member have used the title "Graf" at the same time? Or would the other members just have been von Sponecks?

I have no idea ,,on the German forums you can find out .

shall I post it fore you ?





regards




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[saschaw]

there's only one strange thing ,,officially titles are not to be on the coin .

The "Graf" is part of the name, and I can hardly imagine they would have left out part of the family's name.

Don't other medals have a "von" or at least "v." added to names?

[Don D.]

I have no idea ,,on the German forums you can find out .

shall I post it fore you ?





regards




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Please do.

[Montgomery Burns]

Please do.

http://h1797427.stratoserver.net/pub...f-von-sponeck/.









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[Don D.]

Password required.

[Montgomery Burns]

first results ,,just fill in the names

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Sear...set_search.asp


and Graf is a title .

so different membership rules at different points in time .




regards kay




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[Don D.]

It looks to me like the rules were different for royalty.

[Les]

This wiki article is in English. Down towards the bottom it specifically mentions the use of "Graf" during the Imperial era. All of the children of the upper nobility inherited the use of the title from their parent(s).

http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/German_Nobility

[Don D.]

"Next in rank is Graf or Count, which in modern times could be given primogeniture (inherited only by the eldest son), but was usually given to all the children of the new count."

Too bad they don't elaborate on the "modern times." "Usually" is a big word as well.

[Montgomery Burns]

well glad it helps a bit fore the imperial understanding.











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[saschaw]

Too bad they don't elaborate on the "modern times." "Usually" is a big word as well.

For Germany, this always refers to the end of monarchy in 1918. So any son of a Graf was a Graf. No idea what they are now... but that doesn't matter here anyway.

[Montgomery Burns]

last news on the SDA forum Germany .

seems to be a litle misunderstanding ,,

the titel Graf is a title but also part off the official name .
so that is WY the title was not left away

second ,yes there are Moore than one graf von Sponeck .

so ,helaas Don ,,you still need the full member lists off DOV to be sure who it was .

regards kay



regards kay

[Don D.]

For Germany, this always refers to the end of monarchy in 1918. So any son of a Graf was a Graf. No idea what they are now... but that doesn't matter here anyway.

For me, the question is "What was the rule prior to the end of the monarchy?"

[saschaw]

For me, the question is "What was the rule prior to the end of the monarchy?"

I know. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. That's the answer for your question:

"So any son of a Graf was a Graf" (in pre-1918 Germany). At least I'm pretty sure about it. There's something different with Fürsten, but the son of a Graf is (at least: was!) a Graf, the son of a Freiherr a Freiherr... a Fürst's son may have been a Prinz. But that does not matter regarding your medal.