Medal Bar Find

[Z19]

A little help with this bar would be appreciated guys!! Found in a local WWI estate. Thanks, Alex

[Z19]

3 & 4

3 & 4

[Brian S]

The Afrika ribbon and bars are great. If you put this on estand please let me know.

[MauserKar98k]

Nice pick-up and a great candidate for restoration.

Looks like a EKII, a medal from Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha (I don't recognize the swords, can anyone shed some light on this?), Prussian Long Service Medal, and the Southwest Africa medal.

The vet in question helped put down the Herero Rebellion in 1904 and served in what is now Southern Namibia in the time period between 27 October 1904 and 25 May 1906 and 18-26 December 1908. The bars for the SW Africa medal are quite desirable.

[Ammersee]

The truth be known, the Hereroland Rebellion was a genocide carried out by the Germans under General von Trotha. When the 80,000 Herero refused to leave their land the Germans, over a 4 yr. period, killed 65,000 men, women, and children. The remaining 15,000 fled, never to return. Not a very proud moment in German history. Gary

[Z19]

Bar

You guys are a wealth of knowledge and I really appreciate the help. Alex

[römischIX]

sure not the best moment of history of my country.

but what about the french, the belgians and the tommys?

they did the same... and many others.

[Kraal]

The truth be known, the Hereroland Rebellion was a genocide carried out by the Germans under General von Trotha. When the 80,000 Herero refused to leave their land the Germans, over a 4 yr. period, killed 65,000 men, women, and children. The remaining 15,000 fled, never to return. Not a very proud moment in German history. Gary

Blessed are the victorious, for victory is the basis of right - Cursed are the vanquished for they shall be vassals forever.

You can easily put these words onto the tongue of every nation that rose and rises. That´s war at its very principals. No war is fair. If you can´t accept doing injustice to people, you can´t accept war as a whole. These medals are always bound to blood. Nontheless, no offense.

[VtwinVince]

Agreed, Imperialism happens on the corpses of the weaker. Have a look at what's happening today

[LeeJ]

Have a look at what's happening today

What is meant by this?

[MauserKar98k]

sure not the best moment of history of my country.

but what about the french, the belgians and the tommys?

they did the same... and many others.

I would say that the Belgians in particular did far worse.

Despite incidents like the Herero Rebellion, the Germans actually had a reputation for having a firm but fair hand in their colonies, as far as Imperialism goes.

If one good thing came out of the Herero Rebellion, it was where von Lettow-Vorbeck learned the value and came to respect native Africans and their tactics, both of which were valuable to him in his legendary WWI exploits.

[LeeJ]

Nice bar btw definately a project. I bought a 4 place bar with 2 medals that did not belong to it so I have to keep an eye out for the right medals.

[VtwinVince]

Lee, what I mean is that neo-Imperialism is being practiced by several Nato nations, including, regrettably, my own and of course by Israel. And Mauser98 is quite right in his appraisal of the German colonial period, that it was certainly no worse than any other nation, and in many instances far better. The Belgian Congo was a nightmare of brutality, and let's not forget those paragons of virtue, the English.

[LeeJ]

Thanks for the clarification Vince. I appologise for being defensive but Im constantly under attack by people who are ignorent of the subjects they are attacking me on. I am very aware of conflics over the period of mankind. I can bore people with "I have studied" and am "majoring in history" but this stuff is irrelevent. What matters to me is I was in war so I get angry when people try to tell me about war. Its emotional for me. Never the less sometimes necessary. Of course Im not talking about Imperialism or genocide. My grandfather saw genocide first hand in ww2 and my father and myself in Iraq.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

I understand where your coming from and I dont think anyone can say their country always did the right thing including my own. But I always pick my battles based on moral obligation and will always stand by my values. I will always be willing to suit up and go anywhere to defend anyone. And if I catch flak from those who will sell their neighbors to the slaughter than so be it!

[VtwinVince]

Thanks for your insight, Lee, very interesting. I like to quote my favorite war correspondent, Robert Fisk, who describes war as 'the failure of the human spirit'.