1813 EK2, or... Crap???? (Worse than putting tape on ribbons)

[Eric Stahlhut]

Here is one that I like just for the stunning definition of the crown, leaves, and date. The leaves just jump out at you! The ring has a gothic 'N' mark. ?!?
Converted 1914? Probably.
Unfortunately, some moron tried to repair the split frames on the right side using some solder and a pair of pliers. He also repainted the other side.

Probably a 'bastler' version of an 1813 EK2, but the quality of the core is-or was- very high.

[Eric Stahlhut]

reverse:

repainted:

[heinrich66]

Hello Eric,

I think, this piece was made, if it is genuine, around 1910- 1918. Such pieces were often called "centenar-Anfertigungen".They were made to celebrate the 100. year return of the battles from 1813.
It is also possible that this piece is, as you mentioned, a converted piece from a 1914 EKII.

Greetings

Heinrich

[JensF.]

Hello Eric,

the maker "N" was Neuhaus & Soehne. The 1813 EKII never had any maker marks, so I think it is a "modified" 1914 EKII.

Best regards

[Eric Stahlhut]

Thanks, guys!

The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that three of the four arms have the original solder intact-- only a smaller section of the right arm became separated. If the core was in fact ground down, wouldn't there be more evidence that the frames were separated? There is absolutely no way that one would be able to remove the core without leaving a sign on more than one of the arms of the frames.

Anyways, it is not an original (I don't like the mark on the ring either) but like I said before the quality of the images on the core is superb.....

[Eric Gaumann]

Does the original reverse have any laquer on it still? If not I think I'd try removing that crummy paint job on the other side, unless you think it might be close to period done.
What are the dimensions of this decoration?
And hey, if you don't want that medal gimme a shout. That would be the closest I can get to an 1813 without hitting the lottery.

[Doug See]

I don't like the crown. It's flat across the bottom and looks very "1914". Most of the earlier crosses show a nice oval opening at the bottom of the crown, as if looking up under it.