Outer Carton for my cased EK1

[EK Hunter]

This outer carton just arrived today and I really like the way it looks with my cased EK1. Special thanks goes to Andy (Kraal) for making the carton available to me.

Unlike other cartons I've seen, this one has no seal, and apparently never did. I'm told that early production versions of this carton came with no seal, and that seals were only introduced in later versions. If anyone knows more about this practice I'd welcome your comments and input. Thanks.

Best, Alex

[Kraal]

Hi Alex!

A nice set Early carton, early case, hope there is an early EK1 in there too?

[saschaw]

I'm told that early production versions of this carton came with no seal, and that seals were only introduced in later versions. If anyone knows more about this practice I'd welcome your comments and input. Thanks.

Unfortunately, I do not know. I have doubts the seals came later: I have a set that seems to be from autumn 1914 - with seal.

[Kraal]

Unfortunately, I do not know. I have doubts the seals came later: I have a set that seems to be from autumn 1914 - with seal.

Cool, show it please

As far as I know the very first cartons came without a seal, but after the cases dropped out at the transport (and the meant additional protection was lost) the cartons got sealed so they didn´t open anymore.

Nonetheless, Weitze sometimes had some cartons at his online store, and 1-2 I´ve seen there appearently hadn´t been sealed as well.

[EK Hunter]

Hi Alex!

A nice set Early carton, early case, hope there is an early EK1 in there too?

Thanks, Andy! Here's the EK1 that's in the case. Don't know if it's and early one but it did come with the case when I bought it in Germany. What do you think?

Best, Alex



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[Kraal]

Hi Alex!

Everything is good, a nice Sy&Wagner!

With the cases it´s a bit like with the crosses.. First cases "copied" 1870 products (same appearance, but the EK on the case is a bit fatter than the 1870 EK1 ones).

Then came other cases like this
https://www.weitze.net/detail/64/Eis...e__104964.html

and, for private purchase or postwar cases (some EK1s were awarded without a case, as they were put directly onto the breast of their new bearer, or the case was damaged or something like this) were such cases
https://www.weitze.net/detail/73/Eis...e__133473.html
https://www.weitze.net/detail/56/Eis...e__104956.html

So when you see a latewar KO in a early case like this combination
https://www.weitze.net/detail/95/Eis...i__129395.html
then you know this two pieces will never belong together but were mixed afterwards, an most recently by an (guess old, because once not internet and our information status having) collector..

Best,

Andy

[EK Hunter]

Hi Alex!

Everything is good, a nice Sy&Wagner!

With the cases it´s a bit like with the crosses.. First cases "copied" 1870 products (same appearance, but the EK on the case is a bit fatter than the 1870 EK1 ones).

Then came other cases like this
https://www.weitze.net/detail/64/Eis...e__104964.html

and, for private purchase or postwar cases (some EK1s were awarded without a case, as they were put directly onto the breast of their new bearer, or the case was damaged or something like this) were such cases
https://www.weitze.net/detail/73/Eis...e__133473.html
https://www.weitze.net/detail/56/Eis...e__104956.html

So when you see a latewar KO in a early case like this combination
https://www.weitze.net/detail/95/Eis...i__129395.html
then you know this two pieces will never belong together but were mixed afterwards, an most recently by an (guess old, because once not internet and our information status having) collector..

Best,

Andy

Thanks again, Andy!

What about this case? What time period would you place it in? The EK1 is mm "We". Does it belong together with this case? Thanks.

Best, Alex

[Kraal]

Hi Alex!

Due to the style of the opening-pin, which can´t be found on mid, late and postwar pieces (beside uniques), I think this style of case is one of the very first cases from the midwar production row. It´s interior parts are still in the "old" fashioned style like the early 1914 cases are, so I consider this to be a hybrid between an early and a midwar case, which would also fit to the cross. The cross itself is absolutly fine and fit´s the We-Style. Like Wagner, We switched to stamped and painted cores pretty early, so the cross might absolutly belong to the case.

If it is really "it´s" case, who knows, but the production-timeline would let cross and case fit together without any doubts

[EK Hunter]

And thanks once again, Andy. You're the man!

Best,

Alex