Ribbon id Help needed

[andya]

Hi
any thoughts as to the middle ribbon.
thanks
andy

[Roger Fox]

The Order of Hohenzollern, I believe.

Roger

[streptile]

I think that's true. Knight's Cross with Swords of the family Order.

[andya]

thanks

many thanks
Came with this buttonhole for the same medals-Hate to ask but please can some person with knowledge on these let me know a fair price to sell this for on the estand.I have no idea at all
thanks again
andy

[saschaw]

Yes, it's the Hohenzollern House order, and it must be for the princely as it is the actual house order's ribbon. A Prussian one with swords would use the generic black and white ("EK") ribbon.

[Kraal]

I´d rather suggest this one (from the Uwe Bretzendorfer Shop).

[streptile]

I´d rather suggest this one (from the Uwe Bretzendorfer Shop).

Could be -- same decoration, different class, same ribbon

[saschaw]

Can we agree it could be either of these two (and hardly something else), depending on the wearer - an officer or an EM...

[Kraal]

I suggested a lower decoration because of the rest of the awards.. An EK2 and a Hindenburg Kreuz was the most common decoration combination nearly every third soldier had.. A rather high 4th class of the HoH with Swords should be quite uncommon, especially when there isn´t even any other decoration on that bar.. Or it´s just simply the Preußisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz.

[saschaw]

A rather high 4th class of the HoH with Swords should be quite uncommon, especially when there isn´t even any other decoration on that bar..

The cross shown by Trevor is not the 4th class of the (Royal) HOH (HOH4X) which was awarded about 17 times with swords to high NCOs, but the Princely Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse which was awarded to junior officers - about 1000 in WW1.

Many, many of those junior officers had no other awards than an EK2, maybe an EK1, and, if they survived, the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer. So both is possible, and even likely.

[Kraal]

The cross shown by Trevor is not the 4th class of the (Royal) HOH (HOH4X) which was awarded about 17 times with swords to high NCOs, but the Princely Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse which was awarded to junior officers - about 1000 in WW1.

Many, many of those junior officers had no other awards than an EK2, maybe an EK1, and, if they survived, the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer. So both is possible, and even likely.

Sorry, I always mix it up with the RAO, where 4th class is without enamel and 3rd class is

Thanks for explaing this, btw

[Wild Card]

A couple of other possibilities might be -

[Wild Card]

or?

[saschaw]

Nice ones, thanks! And while they might match, they are rather unlikely due to the ranks they went to - people wo usually had additional awards.

What's missing, but as unlikely, is the Golden medal, as this here from my current shop offer:

[andya]

Many thanks indeed for all the replies-As stated as these are outside my collecting field I will list them as a pair on the estand.Cannot find others for comparison so some help with a fair price would be very much appreciated
regards
andy