Herzog Ernst I. von Sachsen-Altenburg

[mravery]

Hello All,

Who can tell me what Herzog Ernst I. von Sachsen-Altenburg was awarded in regards to Orders and Awards....

Here is a pic I found of him from the web (any other pics would be helpfull)..

Cheers
Mark

[Klaus O.]

Mark,

Perhaps it's easier to research all his awards from this picture... I let you do some homework and find out which are the orders in his "Ordensspange".

Ciao,

Claudio

[mravery]

Ahhhhhhh Claudio


No this is a much better picture... .. Do you also have the Breast stars in this size as well ??

Can you post (or e-mail me) the full size pic ??

Cheers
Mark

[Klaus O.]

Mark,

Unfortunately the only other image I saved it is the one here enclosed... The first one I "got" it from an photograph posted on the Ebay.

Ciao,

Claudio

[Daniel Krause]

He wears his native Ernestinian Grand cross star with swords and a Johaniter breast cross.
Otherwise he had the Prussian Black eagle, a Hohenzoller Grand commander and the Bavarian Hubertus. Not sure if he had additional "collections" from other states.

Best regards

Daniel

[mravery]

Hey Daniel,


That's great ....!

I see an 1870 2nd class IC..... Was he awarded the 1870 1st class as well (not in the picture) ?

Cheers
Mark

[John5813]

Hey Daniel,


That's great ....!

I see an 1870 2nd class IC..... Was he awarded the 1870 1st class as well (not in the picture) ?

Cheers
Mark

All,

I'd say #2 is a Russian St.George Order 4th class, #3 a Mecklenburg-Schwerin MVK2, and #4 a Hessian Ludwig Order. Couple of ideas on the rest but am not sure.

John

[W McSwiggan]

#4 is Mecklenburg-Schwerin Griffin Order. Would a Russian order have found its way that high up a medal bar taking precedence over German orders and decorations?

[Daniel Krause]

Yup, still remaining rule from the allies against Napoleon in 1813-1815.

The Russian George and the Austrian Maria Theresia- Order had to be worn immediately after the Iron Cross.
This was still in use after WW1 as they fought each other. I have a Freikorps ribbon bar with the "white Army"-George cross just behind a EK and in front of all other Gernam awards.

Best regards

Daniel

[Klaus O.]

Let's try it:

1) EK 2. Klasse 1870 mit Eichelaub 25 (easy!)
2) Russian St. George Order or maybe a Sachsen-Weimar, Grossherzoglich Sächsischer Hausorden der Wachsamkeit oder vom Weissen Falken, Ehrenkreuz, 1902-1904 (not sure, but the ribbon seems to be of one color... maybe red)
3) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, MVK 2. Kl. 1870 (very likely)
4) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Greifen-Orden, Ritterkreuz
5) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Offiziersdienstkreuz (? Dienstjahre... not sure)
6) ???
7) Sächsische Herzogtümer ab 1826, Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden, Silbernes Verdienstkreuz
8) Kriegsdenkmünze 1870 mit 3 Gefechtsspangen
9) Hohenzollern, Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden, Verdienstmedaille (Gold oder silber?)
10) Preussen, Centenarmedaille 1897
11) Medaille (?)
12) Medaille (?)
13) Medaille (?)
14) Medaille (?)

Any volonteers to fill the many gaps???

Ciao,

Claudio

[Daniel Krause]

1) EK 2. Klasse 1870 mit Eichelaub 25 (easy!) - yes!
2) Russian St. George Order - it IS the George, the dark stripes can easliy look like one solid color
3) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, MVK 2. Kl. 1870 (very likely) - yes
4) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Greifen-Orden, Ritterkreuz - yes
5) is a Prussian long service cross
6) is a achsen- Altenburg long service cross
7) Sächsische Herzogtümer ab 1826, Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden, Silbernes Verdienstkreuz - yes
8) Kriegsdenkmünze 1870 mit 3 Gefechtsspangen
9) is a Prussian 1848/49 commemorative medal
10) Preussen, Centenarmedaille 1897 -of course
11) is a Schaumburg-Lippe Military merit medal with sabers for 1870/71
12) Medaille (?)
13) Medaille (?)
14) Medaille (?)

[mravery]

You guys are awesome !

Neat info about the Russian Orders.. Never would have thought it so (in regards to the precedence).....

Why would Ernst have both the Prussian and the Saxon long service ??

Also..... Any answer for the IC 1st question ??? (was he awarded an 1870 First Class ???)

Does anyone have any more pictures of him ???

Cheers
Mark

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Mark,

Ernst had no EK1 70.
Some more bio notes:
born 1826, died 1908, 1856 Prussian GenMaj, 1859 GenLt, 1866 Gen d.Inf, 1907 GenOberst mit dem Rang eines GFM

His native long service cross is normal, the Prussian one is also normal, after the military conventions with Prussia he "served" in their army.

Ach so, medal 12 should be his native 1876 anniversary medal.

Best regards

Daniel

[W McSwiggan]

Thanks Daniel!

Think I knew about the Russian St. George and the Austrian Maria Theresia- Order precedence but managed to forget "under pressure". Useful thing to know methinks!!

[mravery]

Hello all,

Rangliste question...

I looked up Ernst in my 1907 list.. and I found him (in like 4 places).. but none of the listings show his awards as it does for other officers/generals.....

Why ????

Cheers
Mark