Medal Identification Required - Turkish ?

[5ribbonbar]

This medal is on a German WW1 era medal bar though made after 1934. I cannot quite identify the middle award.

Can anyone enlighten me on this fellow?

I thought maybe Turkish, but I cannot seem to find one like it while searching google.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers,

Glen

[VtwinVince]

Definitely Ottoman. Could you show the rest of the bar?

[MauserKar98k]

It looks exactly like an Ottoman campaign medal, unfortunately, this one is not pictured on turkishmedals.net. As a result, I couldn't tell you which one this is.

[saschaw]

I think it is possibly some patriotic medal.

[Don D.]

I'd also like to see the edge of it.

[römischIX]

the bar is from philipp, or am i wrong.

the medal is a turkish kourosh coin - a medal for your personal luck.

it`s a turkish coin (geldstück)

no official medal..

[5ribbonbar]

Thanks for the replies...the bar actually was bought by my brother. It is in my hands now for it brought it over to me yesterday.

I asked him why he bought it if he was not sure what the middle medal was...he told me he just thought it looked ' cool '

Not always the best foundation for buying militaria.

My brother told me he did buy it from philipp. He sent me an email with the original site photos...I checked this morning and they have been removed from their site but I have posted them below.

The piece seems sound enough in construction and though the middle medal is tied at the ribbon ring loop, the threading to reach it comes from the first and third medals. This is hard to describe and probably impossible to get a photo of, but it would be tough to construct this and something most fakers would never bother with.

Cheers,

Glen

[saschaw]

Not a coin... a medal.

I don't like to be the first to throw the stone, but a Hassian bravery medal would fit this bar way better, I think...

[MauserKar98k]

Not a coin... a medal.

I don't like to be the first to throw the stone, but a Hassian bravery medal would fit this bar way better, I think...

I agree.

[Don D.]

That was my thought too.

[5ribbonbar]

Thanks for the comments...stone throwing is what we do sometimes on the forum and it is all taken gladly

I certainly agree that the Hassian bravery medal makes sense here...the ribbon is obvious. But there are countless examples of oddities in WW1 era medal bars. Perhaps custom made for the soldier liked this medal (what ever it is) and the tailor used what ribbon was available...who knows.

If a faker was re-working the bar (which is entirely possible) why not place a Hessian medal on it? They are not hard to find and not expensive. The bar would be worth more that way. Again, who knows.

My brother will keep it for it seems authentic enough and the price was cheap.

[VtwinVince]

I concur on the Hessen ribbon, but you're right, sometimes weird ribbons wind up with weird medals. I have a bar with the Messina medal on it which is on the completely wrong ribbon.

[Fred Borgmann]

The Turkish medal is way too beat up to be original to this group in my opinion.

[demir]

This is not an Ottoman medal and it is not even a coin. There was no coin struck in 1288. From what I see from the picture IMO the metal is neither nickel, silver nor gold.
Regards
demir

[Fred Borgmann]

The item in question is a very crude copy of an altered coin design dated AH 1277 = 1861. It does not copy any of the gold coin designs exactly enough to be considered a copy. I would call it a fantasy design so as not to legally be a counterfeit. It is privately made as can be seen by the twisted stem loop, and the verdigris tells us it is brass or bronze. My guess is that this is a private German jewelers attempt to replicate a Turkish medal design for a veteran customer and it does not add to the value of the group as a whole.