Bad Crown fake accepted?

[morel5000]

Hi All,

As 1870 interests are rising aren't these accepted bad crown fakes:

http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=GEM951
https://www.weitze.net/detail/27/Eis...e__154827.html

or just "Jubilee" pieces

Best regards,
Michel

[streptile]

I myself don't know what to make of this type. I have seen one (as have we all, here on the forum) on a bar that looks totally legit. I've also held it and louped it. I am perplexed.

[gregM]

10 years ago, the 9th bead fakes were also accepted .

[streptile]

10 years ago, the 9th bead fakes were also accepted .

Very true.

I have tried (or am trying) to assemble a collection of Jubilee types. I do not own one of these types, which probably says something about how I feel about them. They can be had quite easily.

[Mike Kenny]

I have one. I currently have no intention of moving it to my fake box based on online comments/opinions I've read so far. Construction and detail (apart from the skewed crown) are simply excellent!

Regards
Mike

[Montgomery Burns]

I find it strange we are living in 2011 with almost 90 years off collecting history ....and almost all info lost about these crosses.

we know 2 certain types ,,backed up by original pictures off soldiers wearing them (.A,B core) and a lot off different frames unidentified .

3 convincing 1914/30 types ...

and that is it ,,,fore what we know with certainty and without al to many doubts about originality .

every advertising I have from a jeweller show outstanding quality
in all medals ,,,,and indicates that a lot Moore jewellers where selling ek 1870 's ...

from the period 1870 to 1943 I became to believe there was no year that somewhere some ek 1870 was produced or sold by some jeweller...

and yet ,,look what we have ?

look what we know .....?



I said it before ,,imperial is dying ....
back then nobody understood........

what is there what we can do ????


kay

[Montgomery Burns]

and fore these two dealers ,,there is no excuse ..

but looking at what there is known ,,,

we can label all fakes as original ,,,,,,,

or better label all 1870 around as original ....

and the other way around also ,,,,,,

we cant turn back time to have a look how it really was




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[Biro]

Herr Weitze has been trying to sell that same piece since 2004....


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...4&postcount=16


I bought a 'bad crown' from Helmut in 2004 as well, attached was a dodgy set of oaks and 1914WHS. To his credit, he took it back once he saw Niemanns verdict..

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...69&postcount=7

I guess it's each to their own on these, but definitely not for me.

Marshall

[Kraal]

Both Crosses are fake. Sad but true. They have the opened circlet of the crown. Pretty easy fakes to spot.

[Montgomery Burns]

Both Crosses are fake. Sad but true. They have the opened circlet of the crown. Pretty easy fakes to spot.

what do you think about the case ?


old jewellery box with replacement inlet ????



regards kay

[Kraal]

I´d guess it was a case for a clock but past 1870, propably around 1900. New inlets are the way to create awesome cases for ebay.. Which sell pretty expensive for what they are. Just have a look on these "all medals in one case"-auctions.. Cases taken from spoons-whatever, just to fool some noobs and grab their money.

Times are sad. There´s no honor anymore.