1914 EK1 - Screwpost & Disc Fasteners

[jwburchell]

A couple more from my collection, this time with screwpost and disc fastening devices for assessment and comments, please. I am working from the assumption that these are period originals, but would appreciate receiving opinions on this matter. As well, given that no maker marks are present, it would be nice to know if the makers can be identified from the high-resolution pictures. Both have magnetic cores.

Thank you,

John

First-up is one with a double screwpost and hex nut fastening device:

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Side view of double posts:

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Next up is the single post EK1 with screwplate disc fastening device.

Obverse & reverse views:

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Obverse detail views:

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Reverse views:

[Wik]

John,

I've been away for a while so my memory of makers isn't the sharpest right now. I would wait for someone like Trevor or Greg or one of the other pros to come by. I do feel like your first EK however is a good one. It has a "skiny arm W", although I can't recall the maker.

The second appears to me from the pics like it might be a one piece. I'm not 100% though the beading looks not so great on the 3 and 9 oclock arms. Perhaps it's just the photos, perhaps not.

I know this isn't all the info you were looking for, my apologies, but it's a start I guess.


Ryan

[gregM]

The first cross looks like a Deumer made piece. It's a perfectly good
cross.

I am FAIRLY SURE the second cross is OK as well but I am not 100% on it.
I have a somewhat similar cross. Mine has the same backing plate
and similar looking long threaded stud. It is marked "Victoria DRGM"
If you do a search on Victoria you will find a few threads about these
crosses showing different core details. I think there might have been
at least three different cores used.

Any of these crosses I have seen maker marked, the mark is very
very faint and easy to over look. You might want to double check yours.

Here is mine---

[gregM]

examples of marks for you to check---

[streptile]

Hi John,

I agree with Greg that your first one is a Deumer. A fine original cross.

The second one is very interesting to me -- it has a core I've not seen before, and I have a particular interest in variant 1914 cores. There are a handful of extremely common ones, another handful of less common ones, and a further group that I've seen just once or twice in my life.

To give you an example, HERE is one that I look and look for, but have never seen anywhere else.

So yours is automatically interesting to me, and I agree with Greg that it is almost certainly original.

I've been away for a while...

Ryan, nice to see you back.

[jwburchell]

Amazing...simply amazing! You guys really know your stuff! Thanks for your feedback.

Ryan...in response to your comment that..."the second appears to me from the pics like it might be a one piece"...I have checked and both crosses are definitely three-piece construction.

And...as you suggested Greg..."the mark is very very faint and easy to over look." Upon much closer inspection, I find very slightly discernable traces of what would appear to be the "Victoria" maker mark which you showed in your example, although seen on the underside of the screwplate disc. I have attempted to get some pictures of that (see below).

And Trevor, I appreciate your interest. If you would like to see photos focusing on specific areas of the second cross, please let me know.

John

The underside rim of the screwplate disc:

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The outside area of the disc: