3 medals represented on one ribbon

[landsknechte]

Just heard back from the owner of this lot. Unfortunately, he's taking them to be "variants", given the number of random bloopers that appear throughout the ribbon bars of the period.

Ah well, I've done my civic duty for the day.

--Chris

P.S.
On the fourth ribbon bar up from the bottom on the left, what is the sort of teal and white ribbon sandwiched between the EK and Hindenburg Cross?

[Rick Research]

Oh, good ol' "variants" huh?

The sorta variant I call the Not In MY Collection Variants! Combatant Iron Crosses in BOTH wars with no Hindenburg Cross "variants?" Cast M2003 fake devices "variants?" Glows in the dark electric blue white "period" "variants?"

That's Saxon Long Service, maybe Saxe-Altenburg Bravery. I've seen the same vaguely similar ribbons used for both...


in variants.

Never seen the "I'm not wearing swords on my Albert Order in my upside down Saxon native highest award because the three LAPEL ROLL ribbons are a size fitted onto two ribbons' BAR space before" "variant"... TWICE in "randomly" acquired lots-- ayuh, two entirely different "Real" Actual Uniformed Third Reich People's identically WEIRDLY WRONG "separate" groups, for instance.


Much joy in his future collecting there! It's always a great start to begin with ignorance and hope for the best while ignoring informed advice to the contrary, oy!! Ya kin lead 'em away from the shark infested collectin' waters, butcha cain't make 'em THINK!

[Dez H]

Chris; The little I have learnt here from Rick about ribbon bars, these are impossible combinations, I would shop elsewhere in the future. Who knows what other “variants” you will end up with. <O</O

[landsknechte]

Chris; The little I have learnt here from Rick about ribbon bars, these are impossible combinations, I would shop elsewhere in the future. Who knows what other “variants” you will end up with. <o =""></o>

I honestly don't think his intention is to deceive, just that he's in denial. I shudder to think how much money he plunked down on that lot.

I'll still keep an eye on his auctions, as I've gotten some good bars from him in the past, but just be a tad more skeptical.

--Chris

[landsknechte]

Chris; The little I have learnt here from Rick about ribbon bars, these are impossible combinations, I would shop elsewhere in the future. Who knows what other “variants” you will end up with. <o =""></o>

Looks like the original seller is starting to appear on eBay this side of the pond:



http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...291538021&rd=1

--Chris

[Sal Williams]

What the heck are you guys talking about? The first pic that was shown and you all reffered to it as 1 ribbon for 3 and then went on about a lot of other thing I didn't understand and how do you tell?????? Help!!!
Best, Sal

[Gerd Becker]

What the heck are you guys talking about? The first pic that was shown and you all reffered to it as 1 ribbon for 3 and then went on about a lot of other thing I didn't understand and how do you tell?????? Help!!!
Best, Sal

Hi Sal,

the guys are talking about, if this 3in1 ribbon is legitime on ribbon-bars. Rick L. says no, Rick V. had one in his collection, which he thinks was a good one. The question is now, can you condemn them as fakes, when they have this 3in1 ribbon? The shown one obvieosly are, as they popped up with another one with this ribbon and came in this lot.

You can recognize them by their odd combinations. This Lot just screams "FAKE"! Look at all the new ribbons, same sloppy devices, strange or impossible combinations.


best,
Gerd

[Sal Williams]

Hi Gerd,
You went further than I was going. I got the part about the group being suspect, though I don't yet know why the combinations are bad. I was asking about 3 bars represented on one ribbon. How can you tell? I assume that means that one of the colored ribbons represents 3 different awards all awarded to the same guy. If so how can one tell that he was awarded 3 awards rather than only one of them if the ribbon representing them is the same color for all three . Maybe I have it all wrong and am not understanding the theory of 3 on 1 ribbon.
Best, Sal

[Gerd Becker]

Hi Gerd,
You went further than I was going. I got the part about the group being suspect, though I don't yet know why the combinations are bad. I was asking about 3 bars represented on one ribbon. How can you tell? I assume that means that one of the colored ribbons represents 3 different awards all awarded to the same guy. If so how can one tell that he was awarded 3 awards rather than only one of them if the ribbon representing them is the same color for all three . Maybe I have it all wrong and am not understanding the theory of 3 on 1 ribbon.
Best, Sal

Sal, not three awards are represented, the first three ribbon are ONE. They are in one piece. Compare the width to the others.

best,
Gerd

[landsknechte]

That order in which that combo ribbon would make sense would be as a kingdom before Prussia EK last arrangement. Since, if you put the EK first, the two Saxon awards would be in the wrong order. While it's odd that a Saxon would slight his own state's awards by putting them on with a narrow ribbon, it's even weirder that the order would be screwed up. If it were one bar, it would be a quirk. When you've got three or four in one lot with the same mistake (that obviously aren't from the same Saxon), alarm bells go off.

Then when those bars are looked at in context of all the problems throughout the lot, then things start to smell funny.

--Chris

[Rick Research]

Exactly. NO Saxon would MINIMIZE his OWN ribbons while NOT doing so with "outlander" awards.

And, the three in one ribbon (typical lapel roll size) SHOULD BE right side up and with swords like below. I have a lapel bow and have seen lapel bows where no Xs devices are used-- the roll is too small and perhaps the tiny Xs devices would have snagged. But on a ribbon bar, NOT to wear Xs on an UPSIDE DOWN three-in-one not just on ONE freak bar but on MANY freak bars-- all from the same seller, and supposedly representing the awards of supposedly real and different wearers is preposterous.

[Sal Williams]

Hi Guys,
I definitly understand the idea of a seller having a lot of unorthodox bars and therefore they are highly suspect, I didn't get what 3 on 1 bar meant. Gerd posted a pic with an explanation but it looked to me like the three took up more space than 1 single bar but I do see that the ribbons are thinner. That was my inital confusion. But I also don't understand how one determines that there would have been a swords device on the saxon ribbon for instance. Thanks Gerd Chris and Rick!
Best, Sal

P.s. Is an upside down bar an actual encountered thing with good ones?