My Best 2010 - Early 1813 EK II!!!

[Marc Garlasco]

Out-freaking-rageous!

[Biro]

It's a great cross Greg no doubt about it...

It maybe the monitor I'm currently on, but i don't see any clear indication of a multi-part frame, nor even a particularly narrow frame rim... So while it's undeniably an original, I'd be interested to know what leads you to believe it could "probably" be from the 1st batch?

Cheers

Marshall

[Kaleun]

... the Holy Grail indeed! And with provenance aaaaAND photo reference - and all that for an 1813 EK!!!

... need to sit down and start breathing again now...

[streptile]

i don't see any clear indication of a multi-part frame, nor even a particularly narrow frame rim... So while it's undeniably an original, I'd be interested to know what leads you to believe it could "probably" be from the 1st batch?

Hi Marshall,

It's not the well-known notch-and-pin frame, but rather a different construction. The outer frame is actually one single cross-shaped piece. The core sits inside it, and the beading rims (which are probably composed of twelve individual pieces per side) are soldered on to the frame in order to hold the core in place. It's a bit hard to describe actually, but I will upload a quick drawing I did of the components to help make it comprehensible. When you look at this sketch, imagine each side of the beading rim is composed of twelve separate pieces: 4 straight, 8 slightly curved. This type of construction is said to have been used for approximately the first 500 crosses made, more or less.

[AlikN]

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[gregM]

Marshall,
I was looking at the joint on the 12 o'clock outer corner. It looked
like a seam but I might be mistaken. If it were, I would expect to see
others and I don't.

[Biro]

Hi Marshall,

It's not the well-known notch-and-pin frame, but rather a different construction. The outer frame is actually one single cross-shaped piece. The core sits inside it, and the beading rims (which are probably composed of twelve individual pieces per side) are soldered on to the frame in order to hold the core in place. It's a bit hard to describe actually, but I will upload a quick drawing I did of the components to help make it comprehensible. When you look at this sketch, imagine each side of the beading rim is composed of twelve separate pieces: 4 straight, 8 slightly curved. This type of construction is said to have been used for approximately the first 500 crosses made, more or less.

Thanks Trev - I know the type, I just can't see the joins where the beading meets. I'll take your word that they are there under all the solder....

M.

[AFF96]

Guys, it's really hard to tell from the photos, but each corner is soldered together. In hand it is very easy to see. So there are 12 individual bead pieces soldered together on each side. Here's a close up pic that may help a bit, a majority of the solder is still in place as the condition of the cross is pretty good, so the individual joints don't show real clear.
Thanks!
Greg
1813 EK II One of First 500 Made 030.jpg

[EK-collector]

Very impressive.

[Willi Z.]

I was very fortunate to get a second opportunity to own this superb attributed early 1813 EKII. Am extremely pleased to have obtained it. Thought I would share some close-ups of how the 12 pieces of the rim (each side) were soldered together, and then soldered to the frame. Some quick views taken with my phone, but will dig out my Nikon one of these days.

Mike created a nice bio of von Düring and presented it in his great book.

I understand there is information on von Düring (as well as the drawing of him presented on this thread) in Kurt von Priesdorff's Soldatisches Führerturm, Band 5. Before I obtain a copy of that volume I was hoping to confirm that is where the drawing came from. If someone could help me out I would appreciate it.

[Willi Z.]

Goes nicely with my later "bent stem" cross.

[gregM]

That is a great cross. Very early and very rare.
It's not often at all that we get to see a multi-piece frame like that.
Especially one that can be attributed to the original awardee.

Thank you for posting it for us.

[Gew44]

Great Pick Up, is a very early cross made.

Congrats.

[AlikN]

Congratulations, very nice cross, once I had a chance to see it in hands....


Looks like some 1813's changed hands in past few years,
when was last "Club meeting", ... wondering who is still in....

[Willi Z.]

Thanks gentlemen!