1914 EK I Prinzen - Help!!

[Montgomery Burns]

well I think the drawings are from the same artist .
or a general design used by printing offices

as i do have advertising off Paul Küst ( 1920/1935) that looks very similar ( a normal sise ek )
so i know these price lists and advertising are not an ideal reference

but ,,hey ..... sorry fore the bad picture's

regards kay

[Roglebk]

I know Deumer as a very good maker with nice beading, great core detail and very good quality overall (crosses of any time period). All the Deumer I have seen had a great detailed core without a thick layer of paint but very clear detail.

This would be the first that differs from my database, if you say you are expert in Deumer Prinzen, I will believe you and say thanks for the addition to my knowledge!

greetings
Andy

Hi Andy, first of all i'm no expert on Deumer Prinzen but handled quite a few of them and own 2. Just write what i have discovered so far.

You are absolutely correct! Most Deumer i saw too have good detailed core with thin paint, just like the Pinback Prinzen i'm holding now. As i wrote before the crown got a dent that might make it look like it is covered with paint, but it's not. It got at least 2 layers of paint, due to the post assembly touchup, just like the Screwback and other normal size Tr made Deumer i saw.

[Montgomery Burns]

here's the 1870 ,,same advertising .

[Roglebk]

well I think the drawings are from the same artist .
or a general design used by printing offices

as i do have advertising off Paul Küst ( 1920/1935) that looks very similar ( a normal sise ek )
so i know these price lists and advertising are not an ideal reference

but ,,hey ..... sorry fore the bad picture's

regards kay

That is not the same cross as in the Deumer catalogue Kay but we better discuss that somewhere else. We better keep to the subject or this thread will be useless to read for others.

[Montgomery Burns]

That is not the same cross as in the Deumer catalogue Kay but we better discuss that somewhere else. We better keep to the subject or this thread will be useless to read for others.

wow,, I not welcome here .











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[Roglebk]

wow,, I not welcome here .

You are TOTALLY welcome here Kay!!! This thread is about the thread starter and we better stick to the subject. Otherwise this will be just another totally unreadable thread! I started it so i'm to blame, not you, and sorry for that but we better not make it worse!

Starting a new thread regarding the Deumer Catalogue, you are most welcome to discuss it there!

Imperial is not dead!


Don, please feel free to do whatever you like with my unnecessary posts here!

[Roglebk]

Answer from seller

"To answer your questions, the central core of this cross is not magnetic. Secondly, this cross is a one piece construction stamped out of silver with the central core painted in black enamel paint. Lastly, concerning the pin assembly, I have had about 6 or 7 of these 1914 prinzen size crosses over the course of my collecting career. I can recall at least 2 of them having this distinctive pin assembly. 2 of the crosses were made of the 3 piece construction as were their larger versions. The rest were constructed exactly as this piece is ... a solid die cast stamping with painted central core and similar pin assemblies. In any event, the 3 piece constructed pieces command a much greater price than the solid stamped pieces."


My answer

"Are you 100% sure it's stamped? Really think you have what i call a "Deumer lookalike fake". A Prinzen cast from a original 3 piece Prinzen that has been attributed to maker Wilhelm Deumer. Would love to get good close up pics of back and edges, the ones on homepage is not good enough."