My First EK II 1870!

[AFF96]

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[AFF96]

Hi guys!
I just picked up my 1st 1870 EK II. I have to admit I'm greatly looking forward to others arriving and adding more 1870 EK I & II's!!! Love 'em!!!!
I know it's a type A with help from a great friend. Is it possible to tell the maker? Is it sand cast?
Appreciate the help & insight!
Thanks!
Greg
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[gregM]

Congrats on your first ---- and a nice one it is !!

I can't help with a maker and despite what others may say, I don't
think we have got to the point yet with 1870s to be able to identify
any unmarked cross with any kind of certainty.

[AFF96]

Thanks a ton Greg!!!!
Greg

[streptile]

Very nice Type A, Greg.

Unlike Greg M, I believe that we can safely ID some 1870 EK2s.

I understand Greg's caution -- we don't really know everything about the way the 1870 EK2s were made: whether, when, and how often parts were shared between makers, and when certain makers switched from their award-period frames to their Jubilee frames, and then to their WWI-era frames, etc. etc. The same is true of core types. But, by and large, we feel comfortable calling an unmarked EK2 from any other series (1914-1957) a Deumer (for example) if it has the same frame, core, and production details as marked Deumer from that same series.

Thus I feel that if an 1870 EK2 has a) the same frame that is used (exclusively, to our knowledge) on marked Godet (for example) EK1s, and b) the same core found in marked Godet EK1s, and c) identical production details (paint, solder, etc) to those found on marked Godet EK1s, we can safely call the EK2 a Godet. It may perhaps be a provisional identification, subject to some revision if further information becomes known, but I don't personally have any problems with it.

So far we know the type of frame used by both Godet and Wagner, the two biggest suppliers of the 1870 EK1, during the award period. Of course, Godet and Wagner's WWI-era frames are also known. For award-period 1870 EK2s, I personally feel comfortable making one of three possible determinations: Godet, Wagner, or "other."

As for your EK2: the frames in the 1870 series are all very similar, and making the ID requires some work, and some time. I would have to spend a little time looking at your photos, and through my collection, to know which of those three answers I would propose, but my first thought is "other."