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**Daniel Krause** · 05-03-2002, 03:14 AM

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**Rick Research** · 05-03-2002, 09:13 AM

Typical new Frankenstein monster parts fake. The destruction of good bars to stick together this junk is truly shameful. The end result of such butchery is that rather than ten original bars selling for "X," three ruined pieces of garbage sell for--nothing. Greed and stupidity make a wonderful combination, yes?

This "flat bottom" style WAS an original type, but rather uncommon. Unfortunately, as is so often the case, fraud makes good items suspect as well: this is the new fraud bar style of choice in almost all cases (the "bow bottoms" are too hard to make).

At this point, I'd say leave ANY flat bottom bar alone unless you have it in your hand and can blacklight the ribbons.

Another point illustrating the stupid modern origin of this bar: German medal bars almost always lined the BOTTOMS of the awards up in an even row. Differences in height were made up by where they were sewn into the ribbons (obviously that doesn't apply to the ugly ones with hooks on back, so awards hung down all over in a mess). Seeing a "roller coaster" like this is almost always a VERY bad sign!

**Daniel Krause** · 05-03-2002, 09:49 AM

Hi Rick,

as everytime You found the right word for that : a Butchery.

Look at this, better craftmanship, but impossible combination:

**Rick Research** · 05-03-2002, 02:04 PM

Yup, this one looks like every one of the ribbons belonged, all old, dirty and matching--except the Saxon St Henry Silver Medal...

now, just how did a pre-WW1 peacetime Captain/Major (the Red Eagle Order) end up as a ... WW1 wartime NCO for THAT?

EEEERRRRRRRKKKKK!!!!

Likewise, the Zähringen Lion with Swords is a Knight 2nd Class--which could only have been awarded to a Leutnant or Oberleutnant-- perhaps our Hauptmann/Major got this on his fall down to NCO?

NOT!

Poor, mutilated bar! Once, the owner might have been traceable... not anymore. It has been ruined... and for what?

**Daniel Cole** · 05-03-2002, 05:08 PM

This whole thing with medal bars really has hit a swore spot with me. I went to alot of work to recreate the medal bar of von Richthofen only to get called a faker, etc from so many people it wasn't fun anymore. I have since destroyed it. All the original medals are back in there little packages with the original ribbons so all the puritans in this hobby can now rest at ease.

I will however sell the remnants of my once beautiful bar to someone who may enjoy it for what is was, a replication.

Here's what it looks like now that it's been trashed.

Cheers,
Dan

**Rick Research** · 05-03-2002, 06:55 PM

Daniel!!!!!!!!!

Not at ALL the case with you laboriously finding LOOSE medals and then using NEW ribbons for display, while preserving the original ribbons...

these slimeballs are fraudulently selling their many many many many bars as ORIGINAL, and from the sheer vast bulk of medals involved, they must be trashing original bars, which is not at all what you did.

These people are mass producing and misrepresenting medal bars in the same way that so many fake ribbon bars are being peddled, to deceive for cash.

I have ZERO problem with finding loose medals and making displays with new synthetic ribbons--that is exactly what Neal O'Connor did to illustrate many of his books.

This issue of mass produced commercial selling of fraudulent bars had NOTHING to do with you! Rick

**Tom Y** · 05-04-2002, 10:13 PM

I'm with Rick on this. Hang 'em back on the bar!

**stogieman** · 05-04-2002, 10:48 PM

Hey Dan

Hi Dan, I liked the bar when you first showed it to us. I admired your tenacity in completing your project. I'm sorry, I don't see a problem with taking parts, loose medals and creating something for your own collection and enjoyment. I buy parts, bits and pieces all the time and toss them in a box with the thought that sooner or later, I'll need to complete a bar, group, ribbon bar whatever. Seems reasonable to me.

**stogieman** · 05-04-2002, 10:59 PM

However............

........... trashing history to rip off your fellow man sucks whale doo-doo off the bottom of the ocean on several levels. First, whether a "simple" group or not, some poor bastard risked his life to earn them, probably. Second, known, or not, history is history; Third, blatant attempts to part fools and their money is just bad Karma, know what I mean? What goes around, comes around.

**Daniel Krause** · 05-08-2002, 03:57 PM

Hi,

the 1st bar I posted as Start of this thread was sold for 321 Euro at ebay!!!

best greetings

Daniel

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