EK2 mm "Fr"?

[EK Hunter]

This one came with a very nice award document dated 1917 for service at Verdun. But I wasn't sure about the mm. Then I saw Ammersee's recent thread and now I'm inclined to believe my cross is indeed an "Fr". Nevertheless I'd still welcome your expert opinions. Thanks.

Best, Alex

[evilmike]

Fr

[Steve Campbell]

Yes that's Fr.

[Ammersee]

Another Fr. out of the woodwork. Good catch. Mine is well made and I really like it. Now I want one with the other "FR" marking. Gary

[EK Hunter]

Thanks guys. And you've got a very nice "Fr" there yourself, Gary. Well done!

Best,

Alex

[Von Eisen]

Another Fr. out of the woodwork. Good catch. Mine is well made and I really like it. Now I want one with the other "FR" marking. Gary

An FR can be a little harder to find than Fr

[Ammersee]

An FR can be a little harder to find than Fr

Trevor mentioned on another thread that it isn't known for sure if Fr. is Friedländer and FR is Friedrich Rothe or... ??

I have a list of EK maker marks and makers names I got off the internet and it lists FR as Frank & Rief. I have no idea if this is accurate but just thought I'd mention it...and cofuse things even more! Gary

[streptile]

I have a list of EK maker marks and makers names I got off the internet and it lists FR as Frank & Rief. I have no idea if this is accurate but just thought I'd mention it...and cofuse things even more! Gary

Hey, that's pretty interesting. Is everything else on that list accurate as far as you can tell?

You know, one way we may be able to determine if both Fr. and FR are Friedänder, is to compare crosses with those marks and see if they are otherwise similar or identical. I think they are not -- suggesting Fr. and FR may be two different makers.

Just a thought.

[Ammersee]

Here's the list I have. I got it off the internet somewhere...maybe from Kaiser Tony's site. ??? The listing for KMST is definitely off. So many of these I've never seen. Gary

A = Assmann, Lüdenscheid

AP = ?

AWS = A. Werner & Söhne, Münze, Berlin S.W. 68, Alexandrinenstr. 14

B = ?

BD = ?

BD 800 = Hersteller „BD“ mit Silberstempel

C = ?

CD = ?

CD 800 = Hersteller „CD“ mit Silberstempel

CR = ?

D = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid ?

D.R.G.M.
653146 = Deutsches Reichs-Gebrauchs-Muster 653146 (Patentnummer)

E = ?

ED = ?

EW = ?

F = ?

FO = Friedrich Orth, Wien ?

Fr = Friedländer, Berlin

FR = Frank & Reif, Stuttgart

FW = Franz Xaver Wimmer, München

G = Godet & Sohn, Berlin (Hofjuwelier)

GD = Godet & Sohn, Berlin (Hofjuwelier)

H = Paul Hossauer, Berlin

HB = ?

HBG = ?

H.B.O. = ?

I = ?

IVI = ?

IW = Iohann Wagner & Sohn, Berlin ???

J = Juncker, Berlin

JWS = Johann Wagner & Sohn, Berlin

K = ?

K800 = Hersteller „K“ mit Silberstempel

K 5 = ?

K.A.G. = ?

KAW = ?

KC = ?

KD = ?

KM = ?

K.M.S.T. = Kriegsministerium Standesamt

KO = Königliches Münzamt Abteilung Orden, Stuttgart

KO 800 = Hersteller „KO“ mit Silberstempel (auch „750“ und “835“ möglich)

KR = ?

L = ?

LM = ?

LR = ?

LW = ?

LV = ?

LV 26 = ?

M = ?

M+ = ?

MEH = ?

MFH = ?

MM = ?

N = Neuhaus & Söhne, Berlin

O = ?

OSM = ?

P = ?

Paul H. = Paul Hossauer, Berlin

Pr = ?

PS = ?

PS 800 = Hersteller „PS“ mit Silberstempel

R = Alfred Rösner, Dresden

R.W. = ?

S = Heinrich Schneider, Dresden oder Schwartz oder Sedlazek

S-W = Sy & Wagner, Berlin

S-W 950 = Hersteller „Sy & Wagner“ mit Silberstempe

T = ?

U = ?

V = ?

W = Wagner, Berlin

Wa. = Wagner, Berlin ???

Wien = ?

Wilm = H. J. Wilm, Berlin, Hof- und Silberschmiede

Wilm 800 = Hersteller „Wilm“ mit Silberstempel

WMS = ?

WS = Wagner & Sohn, Berlin

W.S. = Wagner & Sohn, Berlin

W & S = Wagner & Sohn, Berlin

Wu-S = Wagner und Sohn, Berlin ???

Y = ?

Z = ?

ZS = ?[/QUOTE]

[kriztof]

The list, helpful as it is, is in need of an update. I believe many of these are the result of bad stamps, or double stamping.

BD800 is a perfect example, I mistakenly believed the one I had to be from this maker until I finally looked at the core and realized that it was a CD800. The 800 had been double stamped and made the CD look like BD

Chris