EK II 1870 Opinions Please

[HERMSDORF]

Hi Friends,
I got this EK II within a trade. I am not a Specialist in that, so Opinions are appreciated

Regards

Andy

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[Montgomery Burns]

good,,, I wood say ,,,,,the ribbon looks new

nice one


but somehow the core looks a lot like the core's sold on ebay last years .....

dot in the crown and in the 8 was what I recall a out standing feature fore those core's

but maybe aim mistaken ,,,wait fore some other comments from other collectors .
aim not sure now ,,,

regards kay









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[streptile]

Can you do a straight-on, in focus close-up of the 1870 date please? Also, accurate measurements of the cross would help.

[gregM]

I can't say for sure one way or other

[HERMSDORF]

Thank you Gentlemen,
I think the Photos are really good enough
The Measures are 1,65" or 4,2cm (width), weight is 20 gram...

Kind Regards

Andy

[streptile]

I think the Photos are really good enough

With that attitude I don't think you will find an answer here.

the core looks a lot like the core's sold on ebay last years.

Kay, I think you are correct -- this is what I was trying to check. To be honest I think this cross is bad. Size, weight, details, etc.

PS The ribbon is 100% fake.

[streptile]

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[HERMSDORF]

Gentlemen, I just want some competent Opinions.. Thank you for those ones who made the answers cordially
Please, with all Respect, the Photos are maybe not Perfect but without a doubt good enough to recognize what matters. Maybe some Boys should buy a brighter Monitor
Anyway, Imo it´s a shame that every thing which isn´t a "textbook Example" becomes automatically a "fake " attitude. The Fact that maybe some single Cores are sold in the Past is new for me, could it be possible that it were maybe original ones? Could it be, that maybe Jewelers or Silversmiths at that time bought such Parts?
..Whatever, if I compare this 1870 EK with my 1914 ones, I doesn´t look like a Fake. All Fakes I saw before, here in the WAF and elsewhere has been easy recognizable. If it is, so I want to read Facts why. I am sure if I would post the Medals I´ve inherited from my Family, some Guys would also argue that these are Fakes... (you know this is an abstract truth)
So I would be happy to hear Opinions of good Facts and Arguments. I don´t want to scam Someone, I don´t want to sell and betray other Collectors. I just want to be sure what I bought within a trade. I did not pay much and I have no Problem in the Case of a Fake Evidence.

Thank you very much Gentlemen

Kind Regards

Andy

[Montgomery Burns]

well ,,,I tell you what I think ,,,

ek's 1870 are made a lot
and over 75 years later Germans where still producing in behalf off the old fighter off 1870 ....

so ,,,,

this can be a good one ...
the core's sold on ebay can be original to ,,
off what I seen they're where made in a sand mould that,, is a good sign .
the design and detailing off the mould is very much like period examples who are known

,,so,,,,,, OK ,,,lets stay positive

the frame off you're cross looks like a 1870/1895 frame in design ,,,,and not as an 1914 frame ,,that is another good sign ,

the soldering off the small ring is also one sided as what it supposed to be .
another good point

(the frame soldering is also very important to see by picture's by the way)

but to be honest all this is noting
as long as I can only look at the picture .
80% off my judgement over this ( maybe new type 1870) ek can only be made holding it in hand .

but yours has good prospects .

and holding it in hand means nothing after all
it is still speculating ,,as I maybe think ok ( or not )

someone else will speculate to a complete different conclusion ....
because we are missing documentation from that history

as collectors (greedy as they where) collected like hell but forgotten to pick up the paper work.

regards kay

[Montgomery Burns]

first thing you must be chure off is ,,, if this cross is not an ebay core re soldered in to a early 1914 frame ( I don't think so) ,,or even a 1870 frame



Oh and ,,how about daylight picture's out off the son ,,,wanted to see the real collars off the core (and the character)












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[streptile]

Gentlemen, I just want some competent Opinions..

Andy,

The most competent opinions you will get anywhere on the 'net, are here on this forum.

To be honest I really do think your cross is probably a recent fake, with exactly the eBay core Kay has mentioned, and a WWI frame.

There is a very good reason I have requested an additional photograph. If you are unwilling to supply it, then what can we do? And what then is the purpose of asking here on this forum?

Photographs of the seams, like those shown below, will also be necessary to make a final judgment.

[HERMSDORF]

Thank you very much Trevor and Kay. I appreciate your Help very very much Enclosed some Pics, I hope they are a little bit more useful..
For Sure, if there is someone who does a good Handicraft Work, maybe this is such a Fake.. damn... ...

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