Items with catches like this

[streptile]

Trying to tie up loose ends. Can you recognize the maker of these EKs?

EDIT: Hmmm. I posted too hastily. I have to wait til I get home to check on those. Right off the top of my head, I don't know. I suspect TR-era S&L, but I don't know for sure. Again, I would show this photo in support:




Do you know, or are you looking for the answer?

One thing I can say with 100% certainty is that those EKs are not TR-era Mayers.

[römischIX]

hm the "14" cross could be a 57 version?? what about the closed 4?

[Don D.]

EDIT: Hmmm. I posted too hastily. I have to wait til I get home to check on those. Right off the top of my head, I don't know. I suspect TR-era S&L, but I don't know for sure. Again, I would show this photo in support:




Do you know, or are you looking for the answer?

One thing I can say with 100% certainty is that those EKs are not TR-era Mayers.

They are depicted in the FLL catalog.

[streptile]

Hi Don,

That core, and others like it with a closed '4' in the date, were used by multiple makers during WWII and after for their 1914-series EKs. It doesn't surprise me that that cross isn't an S&L, as upon closer inspection the frame seems different. Is there a reverse shot showing the pin from that same catalogue?

Also, what or who is FLL?

I'm not entirely sure where you are heading with this inquiry (I'm curious). I don't know why you are seeking to fix a maker to the specific catch you show in this thread, and I don't know exactly how Schickle ties in with your thinking (yet), but, if it helps, the conclusion that these one-piece EKs are made by Schickle rests on (to me) more than just the similarity between the actual pieces and those shown in the Schickle catalogue:

[Don D.]

Unfortunately catalogs never seem to show the reverse of items. FLL is Friedrich Linden of Ludenscheid.
The reverse set ups will, I hope, help determine when, and possibly who, made these. I am pretty sure Schickle did but it takes a process of elimination to be sure. One problem is that when Schickle went out of business its' dies went somewhere as did the left over stock.

The woundbadge above has the same hinge and catch as the cross. The cross appears to be German nickle/silver. The wound badge is massive cupal. It is the only woundbadge that I've ever seen in massive cupal. I know of only a few massive cupal badges made including Juncker PABs, a GAB (by an unknown maker I believe) and an Imperial Pilot's badge owned by a forum member.

So, when did cupal come into use? Especially in massive form vs hollow/sheet form. Plenty of sheet/hollow cupal out there in comparision. If massive came into use early on then Schickle is still in the running. If it came in later after Schickle closed then where does that leave us wrt these two badges?

[HERMSDORF]

PAB Silver

[streptile]

Unfortunately catalogs never seem to show the reverse of items. FLL is Friedrich Linden of Ludenscheid.
The reverse set ups will, I hope, help determine when, and possibly who, made these. I am pretty sure Schickle did but it takes a process of elimination to be sure. One problem is that when Schickle went out of business its' dies went somewhere as did the left over stock.

The woundbadge above has the same hinge and catch as the cross. The cross appears to be German nickle/silver. The wound badge is massive cupal. It is the only woundbadge that I've ever seen in massive cupal. I know of only a few massive cupal badges made including Juncker PABs, a GAB (by an unknown maker I believe) and an Imperial Pilot's badge owned by a forum member.

So, when did cupal come into use? Especially in massive form vs hollow/sheet form. Plenty of sheet/hollow cupal out there in comparision. If massive came into use early on then Schickle is still in the running. If it came in later after Schickle closed then where does that leave us wrt these two badges?

Thanks, Don.

Interesting questions. At this point in your research, the question of the introduction of Cupal as a material needs to be answered. I guess TR guys may know the answer, but I don't.

One other point I would make is that there were companies that did nothing but supply hinges, pins and catches to other companies. Thus I don't tend to think of two badges that share the same pin systems as necessarily by the same maker -- I tend to look for additional corroboration. Both makers could have sourced pin systems from the same supplier.

[Don D.]

I agree about hinges and catches coming from a supplier but both my awards match items in the Schickel catalog.

[Leroy]

The LDO instructed a changeover to zinc for war badges in 1942. By the way, some postwar assembled S&L RK's use Schickle cores, so it almost certainly obtained some Schickle stock when it went out of business.

[streptile]

Thought I'd add this one just for the sake of discussion. A typical Schickle catch on an L/15 marked 1939 EK1. Not quite the same as those shown so far.

[andrewb]

Don,

Here's my SCiS without swords. MM L/15.

Regards,
AB.

[Don D.]

Check out the hinge on the TWM here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...98#post4027598

Not a Schickle.

[Butch Gooch]

nice

Don, The Iron Cross that you show looks Wonderful! That's very nice! Butch

[Don D.]

Thanks for the input guys and keep it coming. Schickle sure used a variety of hinges and catches it seems.

What are the thoughts on this:

[Don D.]

Nobody has a thought on whether this is a match?