Bavarian Trapazoid Mounted Medal Bar

[Brad Posey]

Can someone help me out with this medal bar?

This is a brass trapezoid mount, which I believe is normally associated with 1870 and other pre-WW I medal bars. All parts of the mount including the plate are made of brass.

The EK II is a good “KO” marked cross and the Bavarian MvK 3rd Class is ok as well. The missing medal, in my opinion, should be a Kyffhäuser.

Questions are:

1.) Is this the correct set up – Kyffhäuser before the Bayerische MvK 3rd Class?

2.) Is the mount, ribbon usw. correct?

Thanks for any help provided.


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Thanks for any help with this.



Brad


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[Don D.]

Hi Brad, I'm not a big fan of this bar.

[Brad Posey]

Don,

I also do not like this mount and thus my questions here. I have seen this type bar on fake TR era medal bars.

I picked this bar up for less than what the EK II and MvK are worth on thier own, so I was not too worried if the mount turned out to be crap. That includes the improperly placed Hindenburg Cross (not shown) where the K-medal should be.

Not in defence for this piece I will say that someone went to a lot of effort for very little gain.



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[Ammersee]

Look at the EK2 ribbon. The piece on the left has a wide white stripe and the piece on the right has the regular width stripes. Strange. The ribbons look authentic to me though. Ammersee

[Don D.]

I think the middle ribbon is trying to be a WW2 KVK2.

[streptile]

Look at the EK2 ribbon. The piece on the left has a wide white stripe and the piece on the right has the regular width stripes.

Interesting observation. Two short pieces from two different EK ribbbons -- almost like scraps -- used to make it?

[CRBeery]

Look at the EK2 ribbon. The piece on the left has a wide white stripe and the piece on the right has the regular width stripes. Strange. The ribbons look authentic to me though. Ammersee

The two EK ribbons are different widths in my opinion. Very strange order and style for a Bavarian. I have never seen such a pin set up. Does it pass the black light test? If the price was right then keep the medals and put the bar in the bad pile. If the ribbons are real then you could rob them if you are sure the bar is bad. I do not like this one either.

[VtwinVince]

I don't like it, for all the above reasons.

[Brad Posey]

I also thought about the middle ribbon being a TR KvK2, but it still looks like the WW I Kyffhaeuser ribbon. Would that arrangement be correct; EK II, Kyffhaeuesr, Bavarian MvK 3?


Should I "disect" this thing and see what is underneath?





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[Ammersee]

Before you dissect the whole bar, see if you can remove a small piece of the thread used to sew the red material on the back. Do a flame test to see if it melts or smolders. If it melts it is nylon and new. Ammersee

[Don D.]

If it was a TR KVK2 then the order would be correct I believe (someone will surely point out if I'm wrong). The most bothersome thing besides the crappy mounting is the mounting plate itsself. I would not expect to see this style mounting plate so late in time.

[Emanuel]

There is a mixture of original parts in the medal Bar.

Iron cross ribbons indeed are different as a member above said but original, as the KVK one.

Bavarian ribbon though I a more than positive that is new.
The plate it self might be original, but got interventions all over it.

In short it screams out that is a set piece and I am sure NOT from the veteran as I assume Bavarian ribbon is nylon.

In any case as you said, you didn't pay more than the crosses and this is what it count at the end, you got a couple of original ribbons

Regards
Emanuel