EKIIs

[Wik]

Hi Ryan,

You got the gist of my thoughts perfectly. This is a core I associate with Juncker/AWS. I'd like to hear from Sascha and others about the fact that it has KO stamped in the ring. Is this possibly a KO?

The jumpring soldered to one side of the frame lug is also absolutely typical J/AWS.

Accurate measurements of the frame would be very nice. My guess is ~43.5mm sq., or slightly larger than a standard 1914 EK2. If you don't have a caliper, just hold it next to another EK2 and let us know -- is it bigger?

Trevor,

I usually just swipe a caliper from the old man when I swing by his place but I don't have one of my own. I suppose I should get off my butt and get one. That being said, I placed it next to several EKs...first my MMed 22 TR cross, it was identical size, second to my Godet marked Imperial EKII and sure enough it was noticeably larger. Good looking out!

I figured I would mentioned the frame lug soldered on one side because I thought I had read that was typical. Glad I did mention it.

I would absolutely love to hear from others and their opinions on this cross. I am in love with it's look regardless, but if it is a Juncker, it would be my first Imperial one, so it would be even more sweet. Regardless this cross is a looker IMO!


Ryan

[saschaw]

Did I get right this cross is marked "KO"?

If so - no, I haven't seen one of these crosses with an KO mark yet.

Might the ring be replaced?!

[Ammersee]

My KO marked crosses only dream of looking like the one you bought. It's a beautiful cross and looks strong and heavy. I'm jealous! Ammersee

[Montgomery Burns]

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[Montgomery Burns]

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[Motorhead]

Well,to find the "KO" marking on this EK is a bit surprising....the cross is for sure an "AWS" type.It could be that they used parts from other manufacturers.I have a KO" in my collection that is definitely a "K.M. cross.And I've seen a few more of these mutants the last few years.And not to forget the "WS" overstamped with a "Z".Why these mix up? Don't know-may be the manufacturer of the suspect cross was short on ribbon rings and they had to bought some elswhere.....pure speculation!
Micha

[Montgomery Burns]

the cross off Ryan is not a KO ,,,,replacement ring wood be more logic.

dont see clear at the picture but,,


I have the same one ,,as comparison to my onyx ek,,,,,,,AWS it was identified back then ,,,,...


and the frame has unmissable features to the frame
and the rings are almost never soldered ,,Juncker as wel as AWS

here's a mix up going on

[streptile]

Might the ring be replaced?!

That was my first thought, too. The ring looks newer than the cross.

[Wik]

Thanks to everyone for the comments. To clarify an earlier question posted by Saschaw, Yes, the cross is marked KO. The problem is, the ring, as Trevor pointed out, looks to have no patina and looks more new than the rest of the cross. This suggests the possibility that the ring was replaced at some point (who knows when!? ).

Now, i'm just spit balling here but IMO this leaves three viable options: original ring broke, owner had it replaced with left over stock, just so happened to be a KO marked ring. 2. This is some mutant between KO and J/AWS (even though that seems to be fairly unlikely from the comments here!) and 3. (think Trevor mentioned this one when we were discussing it prior to purchase) Some collector thought the cross would be worth more with a maker's mark, took off the unmarked, original ring, and put an extra KO ring they had laying around to "raise" the value on some unsuspecting collector later down the road.

Regardless, it seems like everyone pretty much agrees that this is a J/AWS cross, with a host of possibilities on the KO marked ring, which ultimately are irrelevant when compared to the core and frame of the cross. As I mentioned, this is an absolute looker of a cross and I am so happy with it. I guess that is all that matters, but knowing that it's a J/AWS adds a little as it would be my first!



Ryan

[streptile]

Some collector thought the cross would be worth more with a maker's mark, took off the unmarked, original ring, and put an extra KO ring they had laying around to "raise" the value on some unsuspecting collector later down the road.

This is my guess.

Can we see better (daylight) photos of the cross, including the ring, sometime?

[Wik]

This is my guess.

Can we see better (daylight) photos of the cross, including the ring, sometime?

Trevor, I don't have my camera with me right now (not at home) but yes I will get pics up ASAP to better show the cross and ring.


Ryan

[Wik]

Here are some better pics of this cross I posted as requested. Apologies it took so long. It's not great outside at all so still didn't have tons of light but I think these are much better than the previous one posted. If anyone needs better pics still just let me know! Thanks

Ryan

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