The other thread about eBay Reichs-precedence "Bavarian" bar made me remember this from the Boxes O' Stuff. Note the last ribbon, which is that of the Bavarian Military Jubilee Medals of 1905 and 1911/12--or is it?
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Actually, nope--it isn't. This bar is on navy blue backing, which explains the Reichs precedence. When I went looking through the navy for a "match" with a 1911/12 Jubilee holder, didn't find one.
The match I DID find shows that this was a typical use of this Bavarian ribbon as "close enough" for the Turkish Medjidie Order.
In this case, a pre-WWI 4th class awarded to Walther Kinzel (1880-1964):
served in the navy 1899-1932 and 1939-1944, final rank Vizeadmiral zS zV (1941).
This bar dates 1916/17, because he later added other awards still not shown in the February 1918 Marine Rangliste--so this one went into his cufflinks box, never to be worn thereafter. Note the typical WWI devices in real silver.
Kinzel was gunnery officer of SMS "Kaiser" until April 1916, and from then until the end of the war, he was a Referent in the Reichsmarineamt's artillery and small arms department. From October 1940 to March 1944 Kinzel was chief of German naval construction in France, receiving the German Cross in silver 31 March 1944. -
Rick! That is fantastic! All that from four ribbons on a ribbon bar. Just goes to show that if ya dig deep enought you will never know what you might find! Great job my friend! One question--out of all the men who were in the German Armed Forces during WWI, why only one with this combination? MikeComment
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Just the luck of timing. Kinzel himself had additional awards... but got the others AFTER this combination. Other men did have these same awards, but also already held OTHER awards too.
Also, the navy is "easy" because they are so well documented and show WWI awards during the war, whereas army awards for all those who didn't go into the Reichsheer remain forever hidden.
The smallest absolutely unique bar I have ever seen is a mere teensy TRIO. Nothing "exotic" about the awards, merely the COMBINATION. That will be in The Article.
On the other hand, look at the big long bars that have been posted in here that can NOT be traced-- army, and wartime awards only.
Now sometimes it IS possible to do that. I've got Michael Autengruber's award rolls for ALL Waldeck decorations of WWI, and sat and went through the entire book matching a double Waldeck awards bar to a HHOX. Found him-- an infantry Oberleutnant dR. That one will be in The Article too. (It only took me about 47 hours....
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Hi Rick,
will there be only one weekend when You not impress me?
Only 4 ribbons and you made it clear!
I´m sure, You are a magic!
Best greetings
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