1914 EKI, vaulted and 800-marked, maker KAG?

[Roglebk]

Hi guys, this is a hard case. A vaulted 'private purchase' EKI with a incuse 800-mark. Been going through the database and only hardware that matches is the one found on KAG-marked crosses, The core is not a match so far though. What do you think?

[Roglebk]

800 mark

[Roglebk]

hardware

[Roglebk]

KAG hardware. Pic belongs to Steve Campbell.

[Roglebk]

A nice strike crown.

[Roglebk]

It's getting interesting!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...57#post3525357

[Roglebk]

Anybody? Cross has a bit of a funny story. Been in the current owners hands (not a collector) for 40 odd years and was worn in the late 60's on a leather jacket when driving around on a Triumph Tiger 110. There's no known recipient to it.

[Roglebk]

Been searching the database and found many different maker marked crosses with the same core as the one started the thread. Were there "goverment supplied" cores similar to the ones found on 1870-crosses? Many of the EKII's share cores too. A bit far fetched that so many different makers used parts from eachother, must've been some competition between the makers. Any ideas?

[Don D.]

I believe current thought is that there were several independent core suppliers (along with those who made them in house). I think once the EKs were being awarded by the thousands demand outstripped most suppliers ability to supply them using in house means.

[Steve Campbell]

I don't think the hardware on this one is that similar to the KAG shown. The hinge is different, larger top portion than the KAG, the KAG pin is more tapered on the bottom and the catch is a bit thinner on the KAG. The pins do have a fairly similar shape. The core on my KAG shown is one of at least two known KAG cores, this one being known as the wide crown core.

[Mike Kenny]

Hi guys, this is a hard case. A vaulted 'private purchase' EKI with a incuse 800-mark. Been going through the database and only hardware that matches is the one found on KAG-marked crosses, The core is not a match so far though. What do you think?

Hi Carl,

The core on your example is generic. It was used by quite a few different manufacturers. The hardware does not really point to any specific maker.

It's a nice cross, but imo the maker can not be determined.

Regards
Mike

[Roglebk]

Don> My thoughts exactly.

Steve> Agree, the more i looked the more it differed from the KAG-hardware. found crosses with the same 800-mark and core but all were maker unmarked.

Mike> Thanks! Hunt goes on.

[Roglebk]

Here's the thread starter, core was very dirty. Still have not found a frame match to a marked one but found another 'Incuse 800 slanted W' that seems to match a J H Werner.

[kriztof]

Hi Carl

Not related to the KAG. Part of what some call the 800 family, I think there are 3-4 different core types and a handful of 800 marks, the incuse, one on the clasp, above the hinge, on the top and underneath the pin, one below the clasp. Also a screwback version, I've only seen two cores types for the SB though to date

Unidentified as of yet but we're working on it


Chris

[streptile]

When THIS cross comes with a pin (not a SB), the pin looks exactly like the one on your cross, Carl. Kai Winkler had one in an update about a month ago, may still have it.