Court Mounted 1870 EK2.

[Montgomery Burns]

I must say ,,its just my opinion ,,

if I have doubts,,,, I have to speak out.
maybe I am wrong ,,,,but someone is paying a lot off money fore it .
that is where this forum is fore .... putting these crosses to the test


and its hard to say from pictures alone ...
to be honest it is not good judging it without holding it in hand .

its just what I wood see and think about it before I wood considering buying it .

best wood be placing a original next to it

[streptile]

You may be correct, Kay. I am a bit out of my depth here, admittedly.

All I would say is that these cores were placed in a variety of frames, so just because the frame doesn't match another known genuine example, I wouldn't condemn it. Frame constuction differences could account for the position of the date and the distance between the frame's inner corners near the 'W'.

Also, I have never seen a genuine one with a squared-off jump ring lug as this one appears to have. But I haven't seen too many genuine ones, either.

I really don't know about this one.

What I do know is that the fakers who are making good copies of these suck. They are bad human beings.

[Montgomery Burns]

I only hope aim wrong about this one ,,,

[Adrian]

Many thanks for your thoughts and opinions guys! Any and all are welcome.
If it helps to know this, I've owned the EK since September 2002 so it can't be a recent fake of the type that have surfaced over the last couple of weeks.

Adrian, can you get this off the mount safely to weigh it?

Unfortunately not Trevor, the ribbon is very tight and the retaining hook is bent around the ring and I wouldn't want to risk damaging it.

and also i found this thread
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=ek2+1870

Hello Kay, Greg pointed me in the direction of this thread and I'll add a couple of pics from it below.
On the obverse shot I believe the horizontal cross stroke at the top right of the 'W' is slightly longer on my example as is the distance between the stem and the hook over on the underside of the '7'
On the reverse, there looks to be some minor differences on the edges of the leaves as circled.
The ring around the makers mark was already on the pic and is nothing to do with comparing the two examples.

See what you think and thank you again to all for your opinions - keep them coming!<!-- / message --><!-- attachments -->

[Adrian]

Reverse of the cross featured in the link above.....

[saschaw]

The core might be repainted, otherwise looks nice. Paint always takes some of the sharpness. I actually like it.

[streptile]

The core might be repainted, otherwise looks nice. Paint always takes some of the sharpness. I actually like it.

That's pretty much precisely what I thought, too:

My guess would've been that it's an authentic piece with a standard award-style core that may have been repainted a long time ago.

[gregM]

I did a little comparison between Adrians cross and the beauty that
is on Don's Bavarian bar.

[gregM]

I took Adrians cross and overlaid Don's cross (as a trasparancy) over it.
I paid particular interest in lineing up the the "Ws" atop one another.

Don--Thanks for sharing your pics with me

[gregM]

While I was able to line up the "Ws" and came fairly close with the date,
you can see that because the pictures were taken at slightly different
angles. This made the arms distort a bit as you get farther away from the center of the cross.

But what I did find was that the frames inner corners on Don's cross were every bit as tight at the W as are Adrians. Also noted was the jump rings are mounted low on the cross on both examples.

While I think Adrians cross has been cleaned and polished and possibly
repainted, I believe it is an original 1870 cross and not a fake.

I know this is no way scientific and is just my uneducated opinion but after
comparing these two crosses, I feel much better about Adrian's.

[Don D.]

Glad to see a positive outcome here.

[Adrian]

Excellent work Greg! I appreciate your efforts and time on this one, thank you.
The comparison works very well and I can breathe a little easier now. I note also that on Don's example the edge of the core can be seen on the end of the 9 o'clock arm as it can on mine.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed to the thread.