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    EK2 non-combatant ribbons --> Opinions please

    I have two non-combatant EK ribbons that do not conform to genuine examples I've seen in a few respects. I'm hoping to find out if they are good or bad.

    The first one lacks the small 'loops' seen on most all authentic examples of any period ribbons, including the EK2. The stripes are the expected width and the ribbon is "stringing apart" near the loop in what appears to be honest wear... but who knows?







    On the second example, the stripes are not the width I'm used to. In this case, the outer white stripes are 2mm, the black stripes are 3mm, and the central white band is 18mm, for a total overall width of about 28mm. This one does have the expected construction, with the "loops" of ribbon on the outside.





    Your help is appreciated!

    Best,
    Best regards,
    Streptile

    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)
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    #2
    Bumping this one up. Any thoughts either way?
    Best regards,
    Streptile

    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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      #3
      Have you put them under a black light?

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        #4
        Hey Trevor - The problem with these ribbons is the fact that, although they can be original, it is unknown if these are actually NonCom EK2s. (I'm sorry that I don't actually have an answer as to whether these particular ribbons are kosher). There's been such an effort to enhance the value of EK2s over the last ten years by adding "white-black" ribbons that the combos are ultimately mysterious.

        The best bet is to obatin mounted NonCom EK2s to ensure that the are actually original NonCom EKs.

        Best,
        Brian

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          #5
          Thanks Greg and Brian.

          I have not tried a black light as I don't own one. Where can one be bought? And what do you ask for? It's a good idea.

          Brian, when you say:
          it is unknown if these are actually NonCom EK2s.
          it makes me think that these white/black ribbons may have been used for another decoration entirely, but I can't think of which. Were they?

          Thanks,
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            #6
            Originally posted by streptile View Post
            it makes me think that these white/black ribbons may have been used for another decoration entirely, but I can't think of which. Were they?
            They were for many, Prussian's riibbon award system is the most complex from all German states - but a white-black ribbon most likely comes from an EK. but I cannot come one to mind that is not much rarer than an EK2w. Other possibilities might be Red Eagle and Crown order with or without swords, given to doctors, to Beamte and so on. EK2w is pretty common, compared to those.
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              #7
              problem is ,,there more fake then original on the marked

              (in 3 years a seen just one good one on a cross )


              the one you show ,,looks like a fake to me .

              the ravel out you see on you're picture,
              is fore me always a sign not to buy them .

              and fore the combatant ribbon there's a rule that.
              ( don't know it counts fore the non combatant to)

              3cm off it has to have at least 40 stitches or more.
              this one I don't think has more than 32 stitches

              just my opinion

              regards kay

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                #8
                Here are pics of reproduction EK2w ribbon I bought from Germany. If you look close, one edge has the loops but they are not pronounced. The other edge has been chain stitched along the edge with fine thread. Sometimes this chain stitch is nylon. Some repro ribbons have the chain stitch on both margins, some just one. I've never bought reproduction ribbon from my source in Germany that had the loops on both edges like authentic ribbon has.
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                  #9
                  Closer. You can see the loop side and chain stitched side below the ruler.
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                    #10
                    As someone said, the weaving is much tighter on old authentic ribbon. You can count for yourself on this one and see how coarse it is when compared to old. Ammersee
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                      #11
                      Thank you all for the help.

                      Kay: which ribbon do you think looks fake? I show two separate ones in the first thread.

                      Some repro ribbons have the chain stitch on both margins, some just one. I've never bought reproduction ribbon from my source in Germany that had the loops on both edges like authentic ribbon has.
                      The second one shown has 'loops' on both sides, the first has the chain-stitch on both sides.

                      Anyway, I'll be back with thread-counts in a bit.

                      Again, thanks.
                      Best regards,
                      Streptile

                      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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