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**johnrtse** · 12-01-2003, 09:56 AM

Goring himself would have accounted for about 75 of those "replacement" PLM's - I think he even had a specific uniform for going to the bathroom!

Another thought; Maybe a wealthy PLM holder did have a "replacement" award commissioned. Most of the costs involved in manufacture are the tooling; Once the tooling is paid for the actual cost of making an award drops significantly. For example, if the tooling is paid for after, say, 25 units, every award after that is mostly pure profit- why not put this item in the catalog. Even if the company sold 2 or 3 of them a year afterwards, those made after the tooling was "bought" are profit.

If you look at the 1940 date of this catalog suppliment , This was about the timeframe when most active military PLM-holders were being deployed all over Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Certainly most would not dare to bring their actual awarded PLM with them, electing to leave the awarded one home and wear the "replacement(s)" into the field.

Just a couple thoughts that popped in my head while I was reading this excellent thread!

**Daniel Cole** · 12-01-2003, 11:13 AM

Why can't someone just ask someone like Manfred Rommel if his father had more than one PLM? I know guys like Joseph Jacobs and Ernst Juenger each had more than one.

Plus there are situations where a PLM was lost, such as the one sold by Detlev Niemann ( I think with oakleave) sometime back.

**Rick Research** · 12-01-2003, 12:23 PM

Manfred Rommel died a couple of years ago. I've never heard that he was even married, so there may be NO Rommels left from that family.

**Tim Tezer** · 12-01-2003, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Rick Lundström

It now has a documented period source, and THIS is forever after the "Schickle 1940" type Pour le Merite as our reference name, agreed? Out of all the nameless, dateless variants, frauds, and jokes, THIS one has a datable period, a specific source, and "full frontal" detail to match points by points, details by details.

And none of those OTHERS do, OK?

For my own purposes, I have generically referred to this style of PLM as the Godet style, because they are known to have made some of them during the war. The big ugly gothic eagle was used by other manufacturers (Gebruder Hemmerle in Munich is known to have used it), but I thought it easier to refer to it as the Godet design.

Is it possible that Schickle simply retailed items made by Godet? Maybe, but the item in Gordon's photo does seem to vary in some details from the pieces made by Godet.

Tim

**Daniel Cole** · 12-01-2003, 07:03 PM

Rick, I think you're mistaken on the death of Manfred Rommel. I can't find any reference to that. He is no longer the mayor of Stuttgart but the Stuttgart page says nothing of is dimise. I've travelled to Stuttgart for business numerous times in the past five years and never heard of this. Hopefully I'm correct.

**Adrian Stevenson** · 12-02-2003, 03:29 AM

Hi Guys, Manfred Rommel was still alive last month doing book signings in Germany according to a quick search on "Google"
Cheers, Ade.

**Brian S** · 12-02-2003, 07:18 PM

I'm looking but this one is NOT the same...

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**George Stimson** · 12-02-2003, 07:37 PM

Manfred

I was also under the impression that he was deceased.

**Daniel Cole** · 12-02-2003, 08:34 PM

„Ich bin noch nicht gestorben“

„Ich bin noch nicht gestorben“
Manfred Rommel zu Gast im Vaihinger Hegel-Gymnasium

Vaihingen (mm). „Ich bin noch nicht gestorben und erwarte das morgen auch nicht." So antwortete der Stuttgarter Ex-Oberbürgermeister Manfred Rommel am vergangenen Donnerstag auf die Frage eines Schülers nach seinem Befinden. Zu der Diskussionsveranstaltung „Begegnungen am Hegel" werden Personen des öffentlichen Lebens eingeladen, die den Schülern Politik und Zeitgeschehen in den vergangenen 50 Jahren näher bringen sollen. Organisator Bernhard Kees: „Den Berichten eines Zeitzeugen zu folgen, ist oft interessanter als Unterricht." Das gilt besonders, wenn ein Mann wie Manfred Rommel auf dem Podium sitzt. Der ist nicht nur bekannt für seinen trockenen Humor und sein breites Schwäbisch. Er hat auch eine bewegte politische Laufbahn durchschritten. Als Sohn des Wehrmachtsgenerals Erwin Rommel war der junge Manfred in der Hitlerjugend. „Nach dem Tod meines Vaters habe ich den Schwur auf die Nazis durch das Götz-Zitat ersetzt", sagt der Ex-OB heute.
Zur CDU kam er mit 22 Jahren im Jahr 1950. Von 1974 bis 1996 war er Oberbürgermeister. Er prägte den Stuttgarter Raum durch seine Politik der Toleranz und Liberalität und machte den Standort durch Projekte wie die Messe auf dem Killesberg für Investoren attraktiv. Bei aller Loyalität zur CDU stimmte Rommel, wenn er es für richtig hielt, auch gegen die eigenen Leute. „In der Partei soll die Meinung schließlich nicht nur vertreten, sondern auch gebildet werden", sagte Rommel. Am Ende seiner Amtszeit wurde er 1996 zum Ehrenbürger ernannt.
Bei der Veranstaltung im Hegel-Gymnasium hat Manfred Rommel es geschafft, das Publikum mit seinem spröden Charme nicht nur für sich, sondern auch fürs Zuhören zu begeistern.

http://www.hgs.s.bw.schule.de/Aktuel...sse/rommel.htm

**Brian S** · 12-02-2003, 09:35 PM

„Ich bin noch nicht gestorben“

If you can say that you must be inhaling and exhaling

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