Some Very Nice Imperial Bars

[münster]

cool il have my mate take a look!!! and he DOES know hie finish stuff for sure! still though! sweet frangspange(?) if only i had the $$$!!!!!!

What fight against communism medal?, I cant find any finnish one on the net besides the romanian fac we are all familiar with.

[Noor]

Ribbon is wrong for Finnish award. Finnish Order of the Cross of Liberty (wartime) used only red ribbon with two small white stripes on the edges:

[münster]

noor, what ribbon is on the frack i have then?

[McCulloh]

Hi McCulloh , The Gent I bought it from was set up at a small Antique Mall and it turned out he was selling his WW1 Medal collection from the 60's . He sold everything off and now he's no longer a dealer there. This guy knew very little about "today's Militaria values and nothing about WW2 German items at all ...that 9 place Bar cost me only $150 . I first posted it (and the others) back in 2005 on GMIC ..no one mentioned any problems.
Please let me know what's bothering you with that Bar....is it the sequence ?
Here's the Thread --
http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3388

It is the sequence, but also the infamous "Austrian big bar" mounting style and the warning bell of three separate lower class state awards (NCO ranks etc.). Anything above two is very,very rare and unusual.
Id like to see the back and actually hold that one.

Still, for the price, you got a great deal.

It's a bar worthy of an individual thread.

[Mike P.]

Thanks for getting back to me on it McCulloh …I understand what you’re saying but , I don’t see any red flags based on the way the Bar was made . Each Ribbon is nicely stitched and reinforced …the backing fabric is pretty clean but it does have some moth damage (nothing heavy though) <O</O
They took their time putting this together<O</O
Here’s a shot of the back --<O</O

[Mike P.]

Here's my cased Bar --

[Mike P.]

a few more Imperials I have to put away

[münster]

Here's my cased Bar --

I like that a lot!

[McCulloh]

so do I.

28 years ago it did not make much sense to put bars together, as most collectors did individual medals. With the advent of Seymour, Ludvigsen, Altengruber, Lundstrom et al., people realized they could research theses bars and the individual's careers. Bars values skyrocketed. (Compare the values of named and unnamed British campaign medals for the "research value" of an item).
The back of that I would rate a "maybe".
Nothing there screams "original", but nothing there says "definitely fake" either. I'd sniff it, black light and like to see "under the hood".
I am getting to the point where I recognize specific sewing styles of some contemporary fakers.
...and they are getting better I might add-check out Kelley's site for example.

[Mike P.]

so do I.

The back of that I would rate a "maybe".
Nothing there screams "original", but nothing there says "definetly fake" either.

That's exactly how I felt about it and why there was no problem...He had a lot of other odd ball medals from various Countries as well but , I focused mostly on his Medal Bars. The only "new" item he had was a '57 RK with Oaks and Swords S&L cased (type "B") and my friend bought that for $100.
It's well worth being careful these days but , It's a shame our Hobby has taught members to be paranoid or doubt everything so fast ...imagine how many deals or opportunities have been lost.
I love stuff like that ...this year I bought a Gold Part Badge from a Website that had it listed as fake based only on the pin being replaced ---it was a Deschler ,cost me only $50 and is very real.
wish that happened every day

[Mike P.]

I'm glad you guys like the cased set ...it's nicely done . I love the way they fit in !

[McCulloh]

That's exactly how I felt about it and why there was
It's well worth being careful these days but , It's a shame our Hobby has taught members to be paranoid or doubt everything so fast ...imagine how many deals or opportunities have been lost.
I love stuff like that ...this year I bought a Gold Party Badge from a Website that had it listed as fake based only on the pin being replaced ---it was a Deschler ,cost me only $50 and is very real.
wish that happened every day

Me too.
But it pays to be cautious. The fakes have been out there since the late 1950s and they REALLY cranked them out in the 1960s and 1970s.

Ignorance costs- I once passed up a fantastic hessian medical bar (for $25!: I still weep) because I misidentified the medical cross and thought it an unofficial veteran's piece.

By the way, what was the badge number?

[saschaw]

noor, what ribbon is on the frack i have then?

That's for Hessen-Darmstadt's "Militär-Sanitätskreuz 1914".

[Don D.]

Still some nice bars there.

[Mike P.]

Me too.
By the way, what was the badge number?

I agree ...and the badge number is 61521..forgot it's a small pattern Fuess. Guess I'm getting old !