Proof Is Impossible Accept Accept

[Brian S]

I've come off what I can only say was a very uncomfortable discussion regarding the proof of a badge. I insist we can find proof of a badge in wear and stop accepting the word of others that it came from here or it came from there, take my word for it. Yeah right.

So here is a simple medal my mother insisted belonged to her father.

It never made sense.

A single mounted '98 centennial, to a man who by this time already had a small rack of medals. No. No.

But she insisted.

[Brian S]

But I had come into possession of several pictures. Perhaps, perhaps not. After all this isn't trying to prove one badge to several hundred recipients and search for only a FEW original photos to match to.

So after getting scalded by PK and WC, what could I hope to find from one old medal to prove to my doubting mother that the medal was not her fathers?

Here is photograph one of THE PROOF.

A photograph from perhaps 1905.

[Brian S]

So, PK and WC, I have ONE medal, I have to go to a 1905 photo and what do I find;

I had assumed the ring showing through the ribbon was a result of storage.

[Brian S]

If I can find this don't you think there is one Legion Condor Tank vetern out there with a family holding wonderful studio portraits that will illuminate our quest?

What is wrong with this logic?

[Gregory Koepp]

great photo and research.

greg

[W. C. Stump]

If I can find this don't you think there is one Legion Condor Tank vetern out there with a family holding wonderful studio portraits that will illuminate our quest?

What is wrong with this logic?

I beleive that such a photo(s) exist. Give it time and they will come.

[Brian S]

You SPOILED Imperialists, you have no idea how good you've got it! So much easier to establish items from medal bars and Imperial original owners. Why I ever crossed over to the 'Dark Side' is beyond me.

But please comment on our need for proof.

[Rick Research]

The Stages Of Proof

1) Knowing that proof is NEEDED

2) Having the experience and judgement to winnow wheat from chaff

3) knowing where to look and who to ask

4) using ORIGINAL period resources, not last year's sales catalogs

5) arriving at correct conclusions based on FACTS and not FANTASIES


Here, as a mere sample of what Brian is talking about, is proof that men in their SEVENTIES, WOUNDED IN WORLD WAR ONE could also be...

"NONcombatants."

[Rick Research]

And here are period "proofs" that... well...


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=evidence


Knowing what IS and what ISN'T right is something some people do not EVER learn.

[Christian L]

when was the wounded badge first issued?
because the guy has a 1870/71 medal with clasp - fighter!
and a colonial/china medal - could not see it clearly.
sure wiithout bar, but if china combandant, its possible, that he got it during the "fighting" service in the colonies.
christian

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Rick,

iiinteresting!! Who is this guy?

Christian,
the wound badge was first issued LATE in WW1, not retroactive to colonial or even 1870 campaign.

Best regards

Daniel

[Brian S]

Hi Rick,

iiinteresting!! Who is this guy?

Christian,
the wound badge was first issued LATE in WW1, not retroactive to colonial or even 1870 campaign.

Best regards

Daniel

A wound could have resulted in a non-combatant job on or near the front. Transfer after wound. Wouldn't these be conditions for a wound badge also?


The Wound Badge was established on 3 March 1918 by Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia.

Here's what I found;

In recognition for wounds received in combat, German military personnel were awarded the

Wound Badge in one of three classes.

The Black Wound Badge was awarded for less than three wounds;

the Silver Wound Badge was awarded for three or more wounds; and

the Golden Wound Badge was awarded for severe wounds that permanently injured or disfigured the recipient.

and elsewhere;

"June 24th the Kaiser introduced the Naval Wound Badge, which was to be awarded in the same grades as the Army and under the same regulations. Due to the late nature of the creation of the award in relation to the war, many soldiers who were wounded never received their badges, a situation that was not fully remedied until after the collapse of the Weimar Republic. "

Leaves room for a lot of post WWI wound badges. Which is OK!

and, the exact same words on our own forum here;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/woun...s/imperial.htm

[Rick Research]

Not only no name on photo, even his rank is not clear--

Just the stripes for "war's duration" (or maybe "recalled retirees") across the should end of his braided Beamten boards with two rosette pips each and the crowned shield center insignia. No collar tabs on 2 button M1910 tunic.

Yup, although the Old Dude wearing those awards was a veteran of the wars of 1866 and 1870-71, his wound badge could ONLY be for 1914-18.

Of course, anybody could have been hit by an artillery round, miles from the front. What I'd like to know is, if he was still alive in 1934, WHICH Hindenburg Cross he would have gotten!