Medal bar for opinions

[mbberlin]

Found this:

"Reichsgesetzblatt vom 24. Oktober 1939 Nr. 209 Seite 2069:

(...)

Artikel 5

(1) Die 2. Klasse des Kriegsverdienstkreuzes wird am Band an der Ordensschnalle oder im zweiten Knopfloch des Waffenrocks getragen."

Nothing about bars!

Later:

"Verordnung des Oberkommandos der Wehrmacht vom 10. August 1940:

Das Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit und ohne Schwerter wird an der Ordensschnalle unmittelbar hinter dem E.K. II von 1914, jedoch vor den sonstigen Schwerterorden des Weltkrieges getragen."

So there was a "grey" time between October 1939 and August 1940???

[mbberlin]

"The backside at front??? Regular or not?"

Maybe not, but common enough.
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Also possible that is was sewed again by a housewife because it was damaged? And "mom" didn't know about its front and back. Errare humanum est...

[speedytop]

Hi mbberlin,

you are very persistent.

There was only a "grey" time for people like you, not realising and accepting, that the Kriegsverdienstkreuz was a Orden.

And only for those incredulous people they must add the later regulations.


The term "Orden" stands for the highest rank class in the order hierarchy.

Only the "Eisernes Kreuz", the "Kriegsorden des Deutschen Kreuzes" and the "Kriegsverdienstkreuz" had this added term!!
- Orden des Eisernen Kreuzes
- Kriegsorden des Deutschen Kreuzes
- Orden des Kriegsverdienstkreuzes

Therfore the "Kriegsverdienstkreuz", with and without swords, was the third highest order in the Third Reich, instituted in war time for war merits.
From the 18th of October, 1939 up to the end of the war.

Uwe

[mbberlin]

There was only a "grey" time for people like you, not realising and accepting, that the Kriegsverdienstkreuz was a Orden.

Seems that there have been a lot of people like me between October 1939 and August 1940? ;-)

Or why do you think the 1940 specification was nesessary? Langeweile?

[Haraldur Axel]

Hi and thank you all for the replys. Could the guy have made the bar himself and put them in the same order as awarded, Iron Cross, Mecklenberg Cross, Hindenburg, KVK and the 25yrs long service?

[mbberlin]

Finally anything is possible...

May be fake, may be mistake, may be home work, may be absolutely correct...

I still like it.

[mbberlin]

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[Scott Powell]

Hi and thank you all for the replys. Could the guy have made the bar himself and put them in the same order as awarded, Iron Cross, Mecklenberg Cross, Hindenburg, KVK and the 25yrs long service?

i simply dont buy this possibility,or the idea that his wife made the bar and wasnt aware of the order of the decorations or any of the other grasping -at -straws- theroies. placeing the Third Highest order AFTER the Hindenberg Cross is enough for me to feel the bar has been tampered with,and one i would not want in my collection. If you like it, then ignore me and the other nay sayers and enjoy your bar.

[McCulloh]

Yup-
I'm with Scott.
Saschaw-0K, maybe 97% of the time they are correct. keep in mind the VAST majority of these bars are no more than 3 medals long.
I collect photos of these in wear. I have @ 4,000 photos of TR bars in wear and to be sure there are some very odd things out there; but 97% of the time the awards are in the correct order for their time frame!
I especially however, note that medal precedence changed several times and there were odd things done-notably with "combat" decorations and with ex-Austrians.

Here the bar says "Ex WW1 vet who put his state medals after his 'combat" awards. To me that hints of of an Austrian medal mounter-or the guys in the UK who mounted lots of these in the 1990s when medal bar values began to exceed their individual piece prices.

[Haraldur Axel]

or the guys in the UK who mounted lots of these in the 1990s when medal bar values began to exceed their individual piece prices.

Hello, my friend bought this bar from England in 1991 and i got it when he stopped collecting. If i remember correctly the dealer was called Gordon´s millitaria, can that be correct?.


So if it a modern put together what should i do, dismount the medals and sell them seperatly?

[McCulloh]

Gordons sold very good stuff. I still have some of their catalogs about the place. However, nobody is perfect.

NEVER take apart anything until it's been sniffed, prodded, poked and commented upon by the collecting herd. The collecting hive discussing these things tends to come to a generally correct conclusion.
There have been two or three instances I can clearly remember in the past 10 years where something odd/unusual/impossible has shown up in a photograph later on. In one case the "hive" identified a new type of badge as I recall.