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    Hi,

    I was leafing through a variety of stuff while researching something else and came across a few people about whom I became curious. I was hoping some of you with better reference materials might fill in some gaps.

    First is General der Infanterie Paul von Leszczynski. In the 1914 rank list, he was Chief of Infanterie-Regiment Markgraf Karl (7. Brandenburgisches) Nr. 60.

    Among his multitude of decorations are, from Prussia, the Pour le Merite with Oakleaves, the Order of the Black Eagle with Chain, the Grand Cross of the Order of the Red Eagle with Oakleaves, Swords and Swords on Ring, the Red Eagle 3rd class with Bow and Swords on the two-times black and three-times white-striped ribbon, the Iron Cross 1st Class and the Crown Order 2nd Class with Star.

    From Baden, he had: the Commander with Star of the Militärischer Karl-Friedrich-Verdienstorden; the Order of Berthold I von Zähringen; the Order of the Zähringen Lion Commander's Cross with Star with Swords and Oakleaves; and the DA-Kreuz 2nd Class.

    Among other military awards were the Bavarian Military Merit Order 2nd Class, the Mecklenburg Military Merit Cross 2nd Class, the Commander's Cross of the Württemberg Military Merit Order and the Austrian Order of Leopold 3rd Class with War Decoration.

    According to a list of PLM recipients, Stanislaus Paul Eduard von Leszczynski received the PLM on 7 June 1864 and the Oaks on 5 February 1871. He's not on the list of Crown recipients, but the rank list says "mgKr" after the little PLM drawing.

    Another on-line source says he died in 1918. That's all I found. Anybody know more?

    Thanks,
    Dave

    #2
    Next is Ludwig von Estorff. He was a highly experienced officer in the Schutztruppen in Africa and I believe commanded the Schutztruppe für Deutsche Südwest-Afrika from 1907-1911. In the 1914 rank list, he was a Generalmajor, commanding the 68th Infantry Brigade.

    He was one of 6 recipients of the Red Eagle 3rd Class with Crown and Swords, for actions in South-West Africa in 1904-05, but his Red Eagle is even more unique than that. It was with bow (Schleife) and was on the so-called "two-times black and three-times white-striped ribbon". This combination doesn't even appear in Schulze-Ising's otherwise comprehensive typology of the 3rd Class Red Eagle (http://www.medalnet.net/RedEagle3rd.htm).

    GenMaj v. Estorff's other awards included the Crown Order 2nd Class with Swords on Ring, the Crown Order 3rd Class with Swords, the Hohenzollern House Order Knight with Swords, the Bavarian Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with Swords, the Brunswick Order of Henry the Lion Commander's Cross with Swords, the Mecklenburg Military Merit Cross 2nd Class and the Waldeck Honor Cross 2nd Class with Swords. All of this before World War One!

    He received the PLM as a Generalleutnant on 6 Sept 1917. He was apparently Commander of the German troops in the Baltic in 1919. The Third Reich Factbook has him as Commander of Wehrkreis I from 1 Oct. 1919 - 22 Mar. 1920. The Lexikon der Deutschen Generale has him as a General der Infanterie, and says he died in 1943, but has no other biographical information. A tourist guide to Namibia says the Windhoek Reference Library is in the Ludwig von Estorff-Haus and that he was responsible for Windhoek's Reiterdenkmal, the equestrian statue commemorating Schutztruppen killed in the Nama and Herero uprisings.

    It seems like he would be an interesting character to know more about, if anyone knows any more.

    Thanks again,
    Dave

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      #3
      Hi Dave,

      You have already plenty of Info that I cannot help a lot.
      About Leszczynski´s plm with crown, so he got the plm and hold it 50 years so he got the crown to it. The oakleave was like a 2nd plm but the crown shows nothing more than that he hold it since 50 years.

      Best regards

      Daniel

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        #4
        Here's what I can do, away from home:

        von Leszcynski was born 29 November 1830 in Stettin, and died 12 February 1918.

        von Estorff was born 24 December 1859 in Hannover. His brother, Generalmajor Eggert von Estorff, was killed in action 20.2.15. Eggert's entry in the "Helden-gedenkmappe" lists siblings, though not parents. It does say they were a small family, only 15 adult males left in 1914, all from the same common ancestor. I have a 1970s work on German colonial administration with a paragraph bio on Ludwig saying he was forced out of the army for taking part in the 1920 Kapp Putsch, and later was involved with the traditional Lutheran opposition to the Nazi "Reichs-church."

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          #5
          Thanks!

          Hopefully more to come? . I found somewhere on the Net a PDF scan of Lettow-Vorbeck's autobiography, wherein he describes some of the exploits he had under Estorff's command. Lettow-Vorbeck describes how he got his Crown Order 3rd Class with Swords and mentions how unusual it was in that grade for an officer of his rank, but he doesn't say what Estorff got for that action - the KO3x, the RAO4x or the RAO3xmKr (to judge by the bow and the special ribbon, both of his Red Eagles were with swords, if I understand this Red Eagle "system").

          Dave

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            #6
            Here is a picture I found of the Reiterdenkmal in Windhoek:
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              #7
              Ricky, home yet? There is an amazing amount of information on the Internet, but I think it pales in comparison to your reference library.

              OK, how about some stimulus? Below is a picture from a German university photo archive of von Estorff. Note the pretty "two-times black and three-times white-striped ribbon" Red Eagle ribbon and bow. The first medal is the HHO with swords. The third is the Crown Order with swords. What's the fourth?



              Dave

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                #8
                The awards should be the Hohenzollern, the RAO3 with swords, the RAO4 with swords and 4th the Crown 3 with swords.

                Best regards

                Daniel

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                  #9
                  He'd wear both Red Eagles? Doesn't the special ribbon and bow for the 3rd Class serve to indicate the existence of the 4th Class with Swords?

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                    #10
                    jaaa, schon, aber...

                    All Prussian Orders with swords could be worn together. Nothing higher replaced something lower. Extremely somebody could have RAO3X, RAO4X, KO3X, KO4X and could wear all together.
                    That 3 times white striped ribbon was idea of W1 who was "in love" with such details. A higher peacetime dec. got the Swords on the ring to denote that the guy hold a lower grade with swords. So it could not be that somebody got a higher war dec "just like that" so this special ribbon was created.

                    Best regards

                    Daniel

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                      #11
                      Here a pic of GFM v.Loe, wearing RAO3X and RAO4X together. Normally he should wear the 3rd class on the 3 times white-striped ribbon, but he has it on the normal war ribbon.
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                        #12
                        One more pic to show the “Prussian way” of wearing the RAO. General Ritter Hentschel von Gilgenheimb wears here the RAO Grand cross with oakleaves and swords on the ring as highest RAO class, the RAO3 with bow and swords on the ring and crown and the RAO4 with swords all together.
                        Normally a higher class replaced a lower class, but all decorations with swords and all dec. with the crown were authorized to wear even if a higher class was awarded.
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                          #13
                          OK, this is what additional information I have been able to dig up on Ludwig von Estorff

                          Promotions:
                          • 13/09/12 Generalmajor
                          • 06/06/16 Generalleutnant
                          • 27/08/39 General der Infanterie (honorary)


                          Assignments:
                          • Commander, 68. Brigade - 1 Oct. 1912 - ? April 1915
                          • Commander, 103. Division - 11 May 1915 - 11 Sept. 1916
                          • Commander, 42. Division - 7 Nov. 1916 - 16 March 1918
                          • Commanding General, Generalkommando 60 - 16 March 1918 - 17 Dec. 1918
                          • Deputy Commanding General, AOK 8 - 17 Dec. 1918 - 20 Jan. 1919
                          • Military Governor of Königsberg - 5 Feb. 1919 - 25 Feb. 1919
                          • Commanding General, I. Korps - 25 Feb. 1919 - 1 Oct. 1919
                          • Commanding General, Reichswehr-Gruppen-Kommando 3 u. Wehrkreis-Kommando I u. 1.Brigade -1 Oct. 1919 - 8 Apr. 1920


                          As of 8 April 1920 he was placed in reserve. He died on 5 October 1943.

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                            #14
                            General der Infanterie Stanislaus Paul Eduard von Leszczynski

                            Dave,

                            General der Infanterie Stanislaus Paul Eduard von Leszczynski was born on the 29th of November 1830 at Stettin.

                            Musketier 20. Infanterieregiment: 14 Apr 1848
                            Portepeefähnrich: 1 Aug 1848
                            Sekondelieutenant: 20 Dec 1849
                            Premierlieutenant: 31 May 1859
                            Hauptmann: 11 Jan 1862
                            Major: 15 Jul 1866
                            Oberstlieutenant: 26 Jul 1870
                            Oberst: 18 Jan 1872
                            Generalmajor: 22 Mar 1877
                            Generallieutenant: 15 May 1883
                            General der Infanterie: 2 Aug 1888

                            Retired and appointed chief of Infanterie-Regiment 60 on the 2 Feb 1891.

                            He commanded the IX Corps from 2 Aug 1888 until his retirement in Feb 1891 and was awarded the Crown to his PLM with Oakleaves on the 11th of April 1914 and died on the 12th of February 1918 at Repten, Kreis Kalau.

                            Regards
                            Glenn
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                              #15
                              Thanks! When did they Germanicize the names of the ranks?

                              Any idea what commands he held? I am curious what the Baden connection is.

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