800 Marked EK1

[Mike H]

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[Robert P.]

Mike, that's an interesting catch. Like Don, said, that's seen quite often of the Spanish crosses. It's really something to see this on a 1914 EKI. It has a little of the TR Deumer look to it.

Robert

[Don D.]

That would have been my second guess. Here is a Meybauer SC catch.

[Don D.]

Core details differ significantly fron Steve's L/11 cross here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=Deumer

[Don D.]

Unfortunately it doesn't match the Meybauer here either: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=Meybauer

[Steve Campbell]

The catch looks alot like the one on the blued core EK1 I just posted.

[Don D.]

How about the core details?

[Steve Campbell]

Not the same at all. The posted piece looks like it may be a larger TR demension cross, although the pin does look like Meybauer. The blued core examples I have are small demension crosses. Here's a shot just to compare.

[Robert P.]

That's one handsome cross, Steve!

Robert

[Mike Kenny]

Hi Mike,

A nice cross!

I think of this type as Meydet (or Gobauer if you like) - a Meybauer/Godet "hybrid". Meybauer and Godet both used the same two core variants. Meybauer used the pin on this type but Godet used that style hinge and catch. However I have never seen that type of curled chunky catch on a Meybauer marked 1914EK1 but it is common on Godets. Gut feeling, the cross is more likely to be Godet.

Re catch comparison to Spanish Crosses (late 1930s production), keep in mind that the SpanX catch ORIGINATED from high quality (pre-1918) Imperial awards - I am talking pin-back enameled officers steckkreuz from many states, Prussian and other states EK1 equivalents, etc. Of course the catch was used post-1918 by manufacturers and Deumer even continued to use a mass-produced version on their 1939 EK1s.

Regards
Mike

[Mike Kenny]

Hi again,

OK, after digging out my collection following a brilliant PM from Greg, I've determined that the core of Mike's type (and my own example) is not one of the two known Godet/Meybauer variations. It actually matches my J H WERNER core and Werner also used "chunky" catches like this. So, upon closer examination, it may be an unmarked Werner variation, possible using a Meybauer sourced (both Berlin based) main pin.

Regards
Mike

[Steve Campbell]

Hi again,

OK, after digging out my collection following a brilliant PM from Greg, I've determined that the core of Mike's type (and my own example) is not one of the two known Godet/Meybauer variations. It actually matches my J H WERNER core and Werner also used "chunky" catches like this. So, upon closer examination, it may be an unmarked Werner variation, possible using a Meybauer sourced (both Berlin based) main pin.

Regards
Mike

Good work guys. That's a nice find.

[Steve Campbell]

Greg has requested I post my J. H Werner so some comparisons can be made. Here it is.

[Steve Campbell]

The rear.

[gregM]

I think they are a match. The crowns are very very close. The dates
look spot on. Especially the 9s. The frame beading at the inner corners
looks very convincing as well.