Help With a Couple Of Ribbon Bars

[Chris Taylor]

Hello All,
I picked up these riboon bars a little while ago & needed a little help identifing a couple of the ribbons.

The first is a nice 9 place Polizei bar.
It has Polizei long service, looks to be gold for 25 years.

It's also interesting in that it has both 2nd & 3rd place KVK ribbons.

Does any one know the signifigance of the Silver Bar on the Austria Hungary bravery medal?
Is this for a higher ward, or just an additional citation?

I'm also having trouble identifing the last ribbon. Appears to be white with a thin pinkish red stripe on either side.


Here's the other one.
It's a 7 place bar, also with WW1 service, EK2.

This one is nice because of the Civilian 50 Year Long Service Award.

The ribbon on the end is a Hungarian Service award that has all the green faded on the front.

Does anyone know what the solid red ribbon with device is? I'm having trouble with ID on this one as well.



Thanks in adance for the help.

Regards,
Chris

[Rick Research]

Sorry-- no images, just the red traffic "Ø" signs!

[Chris Taylor]

Sorry about that Rick, still trying to figure out how to upload images on this site.

Hoes this-




Heres the 2nd one....

[Rick Research]

Interesting ribbon bars!

The first one has a WW2 KVK2X, then a WW2 KVM-- quite unusual but not unheard of, then the two "war ribbons" Austria-Hungary used for ALL their bravery awards (more than two dozen of them). The absence of swords on them suggests that both were for bravery medals. The QUITE NICE plain bar indicates a second award of the same decoration: those two are probably for a Small Silver Bravery Medal and a Bronze Bravery Medal With 2nd Award Bar--though could also be a Large Silver and Small Silver with Bar. Followed by German WW1 Hindenburg Cross X, Polizei 25, an Austro-Hungarian military long service award (so an ex-WW1 Austrian NCO) and finally the Hungarian 1928 WWI Commemorative Medal for Combatants. That's the same ribbon as is in last place on your other bar, just as is common with its bluish green horizontal stripes faded out. Is that a sew-on style ribbon bar?

The second bar has a problem:

1913 EK2, Schwarzburg House Order with Swords, Saxe-Weimar Order of the White Falcon with Swords (so you've got a Thuringian officer's bar so far), Honor Cross X, then what was probably supposed to be a "normal" 1938 25 years civil service cross, but whoever made the bar (and the wearer! ) apparently didn't notice the microscopic "50", and finally the Hungarian WWI CM again.

The Schwarzburg and Saxe-Weimar combination is definitely XIth Army Corps, 38th Infantry Division, and suggests a wartime Leutnant or Leutnant der Reserve in one of these infantry regiments: 71st, 94th, 95th, or 96th.

Since this is the type with individual tab back mounts, you can tell from the reverse if anything's been monkeyed with by checking for scratches around where individual ribbons may have been pried off and put back on.

If none, you're OK. Those things are so flimsy, monkeying with them more than once almost always snaps the tabs off: kind of a "fail safe" for us.

I'll copy this over to Imperial because of the WW1 ribbons.

[Chris Taylor]

Just bringing this back up to the top.

If the second bar belonged to a Thuringian officer, as Rick states, would there be any way to ID the owner?

Where's the best place to start?

Any more input from you Imperial Experts would be a great help.

Thanks.