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    #1

    1870 EKII Opinions

    Dear All,

    Not being an Imperial collector I have a 1870 EKII on an "Austrian" style ribbon.

    Please offer your opinion on the cross, is it original or not. If it is, any idea on the maker? Also, who would've worn the Austrian style ribbon?

    Thanks in advance and

    best regards,

    Al
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    The reverse

    the reverse
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      #3
      Can you post a picture of the reverse?

      Never mind, I apparently was typing at the same time as you...

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        #4
        Is it just me, or are the numbers of "1870" different sizes (the "18"and the "70")?
        George

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          #5
          Looks almost like 18 and 70 were done in two different takes, they are either not the same size or not on the same level. The detail on the rest of iron core looks ok otherwise. I dont know if I like the finish though.

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            #6
            Not really, but the "0" seems to be a bit smaller than the "8".

            But here is a detail, in case it is relevant: the small ring that is attached to the frame is sautered on to the front side only. On the back, there is a squzare cut out in the frame and the other end of the ring is just bent into it.

            Best regards,
            Al

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              #7
              The 7 and the 0 seem to be touching?


              Is there any marks on the ring?

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                #8
                as to your second question, the trifold mount was used in Bavaria and Saxony to some extent. 70/71 KDM's can be found like this, I also have a Hanseaten Kreuz on a trifold.

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                  #9
                  Dez, I also thought 7 and 0 were touching initially but it is probably just a speck of dirt or rust. Overall, if I were buying this for myself, I would pass, too many questionable things about this one.

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                    #10
                    Dera All,

                    Thanks so far for your input!

                    Infact, the 7 and the 0 are touching. Also the 8 and the 7. The core looks molded. Was molding the production technique used on 1870 crosses?

                    The ring is unmarked. The cross is most certainly not one of the common copies. If it is a copy at all it has to be a very old one. The overall impression of the surface and patina are what one would expect from an old original. The way I got it is also beyond reproach. But I have heard that these crosses have been reproduced since a very long time. So what I am after is an answer to the question: is it a known original or is it a known old copy?

                    As for impressions, please don't get me wrong but I've been into crosses long enough, all be it mostly 1939, I would rather beg for facts

                    Best regards,
                    Al

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                      #11
                      Infact, the 7 and the 0 are touching. Also the 8 and the 7.

                      Sory Albert but I have never seen this on an original piece.

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                        #12
                        HMMM

                        I can't say it is a "known old copy" but it isn't a "known original" at least from ones I've seen.
                        Greg

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                          #13
                          HMMM is right

                          Dear all,

                          So it's neither a known fake nor a known original

                          I'd love to know though

                          Best regards,
                          Al

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