you want to see bars.....

[WNickel]

Hi,

you missed interesting bars?????

What do you mean about this bar?????? Who was the wearer??? What was his job????? It is possible without EK2?????

Best regards

Werner

[Rick Research]

Freaky Bavarian! This will give me something to do tomorrow when I'm trapped in all day by rain.

Is this NEW, Werner, or from your Vast Echoing Subterranean Vaults Stuffed Full of Goodies?

I was just whining at Daniel that things seem to have dried up, even in Germany...

though I note many things "left over" from last October's Siebentritt are available for a miraculous second chance.

[WNickel]

Hi Rick,

you are on the right way - this wearer began his career ca. 1892 in the bavarian army.....

I bought the bar ten years ago - the bars were cheaper than today

Good luck

Werner

[JensF.]

Werner, as usual my "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHRRRGGG!!! WHAT A MEDAL-BAR!!!!!!!"

[Phil DeWitt]

Hallo Werner!

Please look away, and do not listen
to the muffled sobbing.....
Now, how do I find these nice bars
ten years ago??

So nice!

B. Rgds,

Phil

[WNickel]

Hi Phil,

this bar was sold by Hermann Historica 10 years ago. A little Miniaturenkettchen, too.

Werner

[Phil DeWitt]

Hallo Werner

Strange about prices.. yes they do seem to
rise quite regularly - but then when one begins
to collect, prices that at first seem very high
for some reason eventually seem to become
reasonable - for just starting out in desiring the
higher priced items it seems that my powers of
rationalization (it really isn't that much, it will rise
in price in the future...) start to bloom... Perhaps
this is what is referred to as 'the bug' as in "You've
got the bug!"... also beginning to figure ways to
make some extra cash to spend on important things
(Imperial) -
so far great fun!

Your bar - VERY nice piece - my one small 6er is nice to me,
but it does ask me for buddies!

All the best,
Phil

[Rick Research]

OK, Werner-- so what happened? I don't find him in the retired dR and dL Bavarian officers 1913, where he should be (Jubilee with Crown, R-L Medal M1913, even if "updated" from the earlier brooch).

The noncombatant Oldenburg/Bremen/China/Prussia suggest NAVY to me (no surprise, lots of naval Beamten were nominal reserve officers for the minimum time in home armies, just for the extra prestife socially) BUT-- no Reichs/Prussian XXV-- so not a career military official either-- and that Württemberg Wilhelmskreuz is the CIVILIAN type as well, no swords. And yet he has a noncombatant Honor Cross, so he WAS in military uniform in WW1--so how did he get the CIVILIAN WWC???!!!

The mounting precedence is also quite weird, since he has favored Oldenburg over his native Bavaria-- unless he was ( ) a native Oldenburger who was a Bavarian army reserve officer, aD.

So what was he?

[WNickel]

Hi Rick,

good work...but the ranklist of 1913 is too late.... In ca. 1909 he was a Major der Landwehr...he started his career in a bavarian FAR wearing the 1911 Jubilee medal with crown, in 1900 he lived in the north - first at Hamburg and at last in Bremen.... Here he got the Centenar-medal and the China-Denkmünze for non-combatants.... What was his job??? and his last military rank???

I wish you a rainy evening....

Werner

his name was P.....

[WNickel]

Good morning Rick,

his last rank was Major der Landwehr. And navy is also a good idea, but not the imperial navy. He was a director of HAPAK LLoyd and later of Norddeutscher LLoyd in Bremen. So you got several awards from different countries - his name was Arold Petzet.

It was a hard work to find it out - the key of all was his centenar medal which I found in the bavarian military ranklist 1905.

Werner

[Rick Research]

Son of a gun! And there he was, still ACTIVE field artillery Hauptmann der Reserve in 1913! How on earth did he NOT get an LD1?????

I assumed (wrongly ) from his 1897 but no XX Landwehr Cross that he had bailed out the minute his 12 years reserve duty was up-- hence only the LD2.

So I only looked in the living RETIRED officers.

Here's another Hapag fellow, Hamburg-Amerika Linie, though mine was only their Commodore and flagship ocean liner Captain in the 1920s:

Paul Wiehr (whose LD1 is shown as "LD2" right up to the 1914 MRL despite his time in), Kommodore and "Führer" (their term, 1920s, of the "Albert Ballin." he also had a pre-WW1 Persian Order of the Lion and Sun-Commander-- three VERY weird peacetime Orders for a cruise ship captain!!!

[Christian L]

unbelieveable!!!!

and i believed taht its never possible to get such a huge bar without an ekII

i would't set you under pressure but please post the mini also - bitteeeeeeeeeeee


more of them

christian

[WNickel]

Hi Christian,

here is the complete group....

Werner

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Werner,

as usual absolutely amazing!

Beste Grüße

Daniel

[WNickel]

Hi Rick,

you bavarian specialist...what do you mean...

It cost me a few of my grey hair.......

Werner