Saw the reinforcing piece also. As Tony says the cross needs a good photo on the blank surface to see if this is a WWI cross with the content removed, which is regrettably the most common "'13 cross". You'd think a good metal smurf could pull a '14 cross apart and grind down the surface, repaint it and not be so obvious. Which is fine with me... We have enough exmples of '14 EKII's on this forum that we'd match the core PGDQ.
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Speaking of Bluecher...Originally posted by Brian S View PostHere's mine. My great great great grandfather is still wearing it though. Franz August. Can't get more original than this. Rode on Blucher's staff.
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Nice photo Rolf!!! Thanks.Comment
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Wild card,Originally posted by Wild Card View PostHi Tiger1 -
Thank you for your reply.
This cross measures 44.33mm high by 43.87mm wide and weighs 16.00 gr.
You may not have noticed it in the picture, it isn’t terribly clear; but there is a sort of re-enforcing collar which runs the length of the outside edge of the upper arm. The surface scratches which you mention are the main reason for my concern. I just don’t know.
Any further thoughts are appreciated,
Wild Card
The dimensions are TR era or even possibly '57. These dimensions are larger than 14 EKs and certainly larger than what is accepted for 1813s.
I personally would not spend money for this one.
All the best,
TonyAn opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
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No problem. I had to dig into photos I had taken two years ago to find it but I knew I had it in there somewhere. Kind of a little treasure hunt! Glad you like it.Originally posted by Brian S View PostComment
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Hi Tiger1,
Thanks for your input. I can’t say that am terribly shocked by your information. With regard to spending money on this one - I’m afraid that the money was spent over twenty years ago. Purchased it from a good friend, former forum member, now deceased; too late now. Since I made them up, I’ll post some close-ups which may be of further help.
Thanks again,
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Lower arm.Comment
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A "Welsh" Iron Cross ?
Hello Gents,
I've just purchased a lovely 1813 EK II from Detlev (sorry I can't show you pics, for some reason), and I was informed by Barry Turk that the iron core was initially from a Welsh mine. The large number of early specimens that exhibit cracks in the core (roughly 80%) may be due (partly) to poor quality iron, but the general consensus is that the fractures resulted during the manufacturing process of the frame assembly. My Cross has a fracture just below the "FW".
I'm fascinated by the suspension ring attached to the upper arm of the Cross - it is only soldered on the Oakleaves side, and is curved perfectly to meet (but not touch) on the frame of the blank (obverse) side. My original ribbon is also wider than the 1914 ribbon (and is as thin as newspaper).
Anyhoo........any comments on Welsh iron in the 1813 EK ?
Cheers,
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Why go to Wales when the Ruhr valley was much closer?
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A new member to the "grail" club
I am posting these for Bill (Sam Steele)
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Bill,
Welcome to the forum AND welcome to the HOLY GRAIL club.
That is a nice cross and interesting to see as it does not have
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Back to The Holy Grail Club for a moment. Although still smarting from my previous nomination (post #25)
, I would like to propose a new member. This cross is 41.18 mm wide by 41.26 mm high and weighs 15.6 gr.
All opinions are welcome,
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