Mecklenburg-Schwerin 6er ???

[Phil DeWitt]

EK 2
mvk 2

please, with the other ones, ID help?

Thank you, Phil

[Phil DeWitt]

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[Phil DeWitt]

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[David S]

A nice bar indeed ! And quite interesting !!

OK here goes the ID

1. 1914 EKII
2. Mecklenburg Military Merit Cross, 2nd Class - For non-combatants
3. Prussian Long Service - possibly 15 yrs
4. DR Centenary 1897
5. Kyffhauser Bund Medal (unofficial)
6. German Honor Legion (unofficial)

The Mecklenburg one threw me off, the ribbon colors didn't match until I did some digging.

I hope that I am right on the above, otherwise

[JensF.]

Very nice! The non-combatants ribbon on the MVK is very interesting. Together with the EKII on combatants-ribbon you have (maybe) the ultra rare EKII for non-combatants on the ribbon for war merits at home (only 6855 awards). This type of the EKII is much rarer than the non-combatants ribbon!

[Phil DeWitt]

Hallo MajorPayne......

Sir, now I AM confused

(I am not very bright, but it takes me a long time
to catch on.)

you have (maybe) the ultra rare EKII for non-combatants on the ribbon for war merits at home (only 6855 awards). This type of the EKII is much rarer than the non-combatants ribbon!

I am scratching my head very hard now...

I do not even know enough about this bar and the medals
to ask an intelligent question!

The Eisernes Kreuz 2. Kl. Non-Combatant?? ???

MVK Ribbon - Yes, I did see a difference to the
combatant version of the ribbon.

Question?? = the MVK, was it used both for Mecklenburg-Schwerin AND Mecklenburg-Strelitz?

If I can also find out who lived in Schloss M-S ??

Thank you very much,

All the best from Phil

[W McSwiggan]

Greetings Phil,

The two Grand Duchies shared the same house orders & merit orders - (Wendian Crown & Griffin Order) but not the MVK.

The Iron Cross II could be awarded on Combatant & Non-combatant ribbons (N.C. simply reversed the colors).

Because that was simply too easy - there were instances of non-combatant awards being made on the combatant ribbon as a special mark of distinction. I

n the case of your bar - the conjecture is - due to the non-combatant MVK - that the EK is non-combatant as well and therefore very rare... fun, huh?

[Phil DeWitt]

Thank you!

Beginning to understand some large points...
Art vs. Science
and or the science of art...

In this bar what I now see is a "PX Warrior" -
as it has two Veterans Organizations to the right,
a non-combatant MVK - would not this have been
ordered after the war, and the direction of the
holder to the shop have included "Use a combatant
ribbon" for the EK 2. Kl. ??? Thus enhancing the
ensemble for maximum effect?

Darn, this stuff is FUN FUN!!!!!

Felipe

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Phil,

really a nice career NCO´s bar!

It is definetly from the 20ies as all this veterans stuff appeared.
I do NOT believe that this guy just like that ordered the ribbon in a shop. This thing were always handled carefully. It is simply possible that for prussian relations he was close enough to the front to get the combattants ribbon and Mecklenburg considered that he earned the non-com ribbon.

Best regards

Daniel

[Phil DeWitt]

Hallo Spiess,

Thank you very much - I now with your help begin to shift
opinion - though it would be interesting to have this EK 2.
be non-combatant, it seems to me that with a rigid society
and natural pride, a career soldier most likely would not
just 'order' what he liked. Also, would seem that it would
not be a 'simple mistake' to place the wrong ribbon on an
Eisernes Kreuz, especially on a ribbon bar that would be
worn for some time.....

Absolutely fascinating and exciting hobby you gentlemen
have!! Wish that the 'bug' had bitten me in the early 1960's
when I was in Rhein Kaserne, Wiesbaden-Biebrich!!

All the best,

Philipp

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Phil,

I´m happy that You also got the "Imperial disease", but be sure it is dangerous! I fYou start once You can nearly never stop!

Best regards

Daniel

[JensF.]

Phil, here is another of these EK non-combatant on combatant-ribbon medal-bars *ouch*

Note the Hindenburg Cross without swords!

[JensF.]

And here a "real" non-combatant EK medal-bar. Note the changed colors of the EK ribbon:

[JensF.]

Oh, and welcome to the IMPERIAL world, the dark side...

[Phil DeWitt]

Hallo again MajorPayne! Also Thank you Spiess!

Gute,
But now only my collection is so small...
now because of this I focus on the hunt...

Thanks to you also,
now I see combatant/non-combatant is
not always easy to see...

and from McSwiggen and Mr. Rick L.,
Spiess, David S and yourself:
I slowly begin to understand the value in
having good reference materials...

I send best wishes to you all for success
in the hunt, and for many enjoyable hours!

Phillip

(The Dark Side... sometimes in a light shines,
fingers crossed!)